• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      One thing I appreciate about the Mormons is their belief that you can baptize people after they're dead. That at least nixes the bullshit "We had to save their souls" Inquisition-tier line for genocide from the vocabulary.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Hey, they're still settler-colonialists. They'll find an excuse.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah I'm becoming convinced that any time someone believes an after-life is more important than life, it'll logically lead to genocide, and the only thing stopping that is the strength of certain other beliefs like post-death salvation and especially anti-proselytization.

        I mean if I thought FOR SURE that your actual life was a blink of an eye and you were absolutely about to get sent to hell for eternity, I'd kill the shit out of you to stop it, and why wouldn't I?

    • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Whatever good was present at the Ossossané ossuary—where those who had not yet encountered the fullness of Truth honored their dead as best they knew how—is increased a thousandfold in the cemeteries of the residential schools, where baptized Christians were given Christian burials. Whatever natural good was present in the piety and community of the pagan past is an infinitesimal fraction of the grace rendered unto those pagans’ descendants who have been received into the Church of Christ. Whatever sacrifices were exacted in pursuit of that grace—the suffocation of a noble pagan culture; an increase in disease and bodily death due to government negligence; even the sundering of natural families—is worth it. [emphasis in the original]

      What the actual fucking fuck

        • BelovedOldFriend [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          He is appealing to a caricaturization of our beliefs, and that caricature is the trope. He himself does not believe that, he's just saying "okay fine lets pretend they even were noble, the whites were still in the right."

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Yes, welcome to the world of evangelism. This is what the belief in eternal, conscious torment for unbelievers will do to an mfer. Which does have a strange internal logic to it... I mean any suffering in this life is inconsequential compared to infinite suffering (if you believe in that sort of thing, I mean).

  • Nakoichi [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    This is not to discount the deaths of children altogether. Of course, it would have been better if each and every one of the First Nations tykes Christianized by the union of Church and state had lived a long and happy life.

    There is no emote, no words I could type, no vocalization I could produce to express my animosity toward the person that wrote this.

    • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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      3 years ago

      Pretty sure editors seek out these kind of rage enducing pieces because hate clicks are probably like 75% of their web traffic

    • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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      3 years ago

      Comrade, I thought you were making a joke here.

      You weren't. That's the actual fucking subtitle. Literally those words.

      • Wojackhorseman2 [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        That shit floored me too. I was like “damn just using the actually meme to say murdered children is good” coooool cool cool cool

  • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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    3 years ago

    This is what scares me about the religious.

    If they genuinely believe in christian theology; original sin, immortal soul, the need to be baptized in order to be saved and go to heaven, then yes this guy is 100% correct. No matter what horrible things they did to them, the fact is that they made it possible for these children to go to heaven.

    Then end logic of those beliefs have horrible consequences

    • Weebus [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I wish more people would talk about far-right ideologies this way. The true mask off fash are smarter than conservatives and liberals, and their ideology is largely internally consistent. They start with different very basic assumptions about what is valuable, what things are good in and of themselves, and what things are bad in and of itself. And a large portion of that comes from a fundamentalist Christian theology-based ethics. For example if God says being gay is bad, it just is bad. If a fetus is endowed with a soul, it is a person, and "killing" it for any reason is not just murder but murder of a completely innocent baby. There is no argument against that. What you have to argue is that their entire system of ethics is wrong. And that's hard to do.

    • Sonnenvogel [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I think the only bible verse this article is in tune with is Exodus 20:7

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      In Catholic theology, it's explicitly stated that we can't know for certain who is saved, and that salvation can come without external knowledge of Jesus (the hope for universalism isn't heretical even, as long as you don't claim actual knowledge).

      Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery.' Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved.

      That is supposed to ward off this kind of nightmare fuel, but unfortunately, the Catholic Church is deeply broken and warped by the fash infesting it.

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    3 years ago

    Oh boy I can't wait for every left podcast to start reviewing this cumskin fuck

  • inshallah2 [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I scanned it to find something creepy - not including the sub-header. It seems that the first ~1/3rd is historical misdirection. Still - it took me less than 10 seconds to find this...

    People die, and when they die, you put them in the ground. There is nothing inherently scandalous about this. When the burial site of the 1636 Feast of the Dead was excavated in 1947, the only outrage—justified, mind you—was directed at those who uncovered it, and in so doing disturbed and desecrated the sacred resting ground.

    This is not to discount the deaths of children altogether...

  • Prinz1989 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Thinking about truning it into pasta:

    Mortality was relatively high during WWII to begin with; Polish officers mortality overall was astronomically high. The “mass graves” of public hysteria are, in fact, the ordered and intentional burial sites of people we always knew were dead, and who died of more or less gun shots. In more literate times, we might have called that a cemetery. People die, and when they die, you put them in the ground. There is nothing inherently scandalous about this. This is not to discount the deaths of Poles alltogether. Of course, it would have been better if each and every one of the Poles saved from the Nazis by the red army intervention had lived a long and happy life. Those who administered the shootings did so, like Josef Stalin two decades before, out of a sincere concern for the savety of the soviet union. The political utility recognized by the Soviet government—that, as one bureaucrat put it early on, “the Polish officer cannot be proletariarized or preserved in a state of proletarization (including habits of industry and antifascism). The enduring belief of communists that the Revolution is true and must be spread, is paramount; everything else is secondary. Whatever good was present at the polish cementaries—where those who had not yet encountered the fullness of Truth honored their dead as best they knew how—is increased a thousandfold in the cemeteries of Katyn. Whatever sacrifices were exacted in pursuit of the revolution —the suffocation of a "noble" Polish culture; an increase in disease and bodily death due to government actions —is worth it.