Why did vaccinated people stop wearing masks in the first place? So foolish
As far as I can tell, it was so Biden could brag about ending mask mandates by July 4th.
The same shortsighted thinking that Hillary's campaign used to prop up Trump.
July 4th - "back to normal folks!"
August 4th - "c'mon man wear a mask"
Because the government said it's ok and even lefties who should know better thought that was a good enough excuse
I have severe facial acne and hyperhidrosis, it hurt to wear ok
There’s no way they can enforce any new rules even approaching the inadequate lockdown they did in 2020 and they know it :agony-consuming:
Yup, that cat's out of the bag unless we go back to 9/11 every day territory. Even then it's probably 50/50, with all the whining we saw the first time.
It would be way fucking worse this time, because all the anti mask freaks would not only be triggered by the idea of a DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT making them do it, they're already primed against the idea of "never ending mask mandates" which would absolutely solidify the whole mythology in their worm infested brains.
There's a pretty good chance we will have half a dozen or a dozen waves of covid, and all the vaccinated people get it multiple times over the next decade. It won't hit them very hard, but they'll keep reinfecting unvaxxed people, who will get worse and worse covid every 6-10 months until they die.
The scariest part is what happens when Covid is kind of gone, but still lurking, and theres enough attention away from it that drug companies can start charging $500-1000 a shot, which just murders poor people for 5 years or so.
I would be absolutely shocked if that happened. Half a million dead in a single year, that's more than the U.S. casualties of both world wars combined, and America is still doing about fuck all. If that didn't show the severity of the situtation to Americans, I don't think much else will. It seems like the people with any power to enforce a lockdown simply do not care.
Might want to consider? bitch fuck you, we were supposed to be wearing masks this whole time.
Well, could be that or we can take the material angle here and say it's about the pharma profits.
im prolly wrong but doesn't a "1.2-fold reduction in neutralising effect" basically mean it's less than half as effective against the delta variant?
or is it just 20% less effective ugh just freakin use percentages or something science people :rage-cry:
idk how fold change terminology works
To me a 2 fold reduction sounds like half as good so 1.2 should be -10% right?
i believe it but at the same time does a "1-fold reduction" mean a -0% change? what if its going from like 3 fold to 2 fold would that still be called a "1-fold reduction"?
why is this a thing why is this terminology real :rage-cry:
Flashbacks to losing my mind about significant figures in chemistry class 15 years ago.
My Chinese friend told me it's only 60% effective at all overall tho
Just to note, due to the nature of the technology used, they're also some of the safest vaccines. They lack the blood clotting or heart inflammation issues of the other vaccines.
My condolences to everyone that actually thought going without masks is okay
The amount of those :brainworms: that were circulating here is a little disappointing tbh
In a normal country, not wearing a mask after getting vaccinated is a totally reasonable response. We simply put too much trust in America :amerikkka:
I will bring up that the fact that there was no evidence that vaccinated people couldn't still transmit covid, we've known that wearing a mask is to protect others, that there's a large antivax+antimask contingent that would take advantage of the dropped mask mandates, and that america is the way that is it this whole time.
A month or so ago people here would get pissed at me for saying they needed to keep their masks on.
Really just like Charlie Brown and the football for some people huh. "Maybe this time the govt guidelines will exist to help people instead of to help capital at the expense of people!"
The secret is, being so cynical you actually surprise yourself ends up being a pretty rational way to think when it contacts le epic hellworld
Not even a month ago, people got pissed at me for telling them to keep their mask on because that's toxic individualism or something.
That's the thread I was thinking of lmao, I definitely got into it with at least one comrade about how it's not lib shit to ask them to keep wearing their mask to protect the people who can't get vaccinated if nothing else
Indoor mask mandates need to come back, although the mandates won't be as effective as a lot of people want them to be because the sources of transmission are unvaccinated people who probably aren't going to follow mask mandates anyway. Fully opening schools without approving vaccines for children is going to be disaster as well. At the end of the day the US' success or failure against Delta will be determined by vaccination rate and very little else. Vaccinating 10 people will do far more to prevent spread and deaths than masking 1000 people, for example.
The term "breakthrough cases" can be scarier than it actually is. Many public health experts think the term is needlessly scary. "Breakthrough case" sounds a lot scarier than "Vaccinated person has cold-like symptoms for two or three days." If a vaccine is 90% effective against infection, then you're going to get a lot of "breakthrough cases" because 10% of millions of people is a lot of people. This isn't scaring public health experts, and it's not the cause of the current mini-wave. They will be almost entirely mild cases unlikely to transmit.
The overwhelming majority of hospitalizataions and virtually all deaths are among the unvaccinated, indicating how effective the vaccines really are. Pfizer is 96% effective against hospitalization, for example.
Yeah I agree, the long term effects are what's really scary now that pretty much everyone I know is vaccinated.
The solution the this has always been vaccine passports.
People should be free to not get the vaccine but then there are consequences for that choice. They shouldn't be allowed in any indoor public space, like literally any.
