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And now millions of people are about to be kicked out of their homes and forced into tight homeless encampments just as the turn to fall comes.
It's like this country wants to fall to pieces.
OK OK hear me out hear me out, i repeat i am >>>>>>NOT A RIGHT WING CONSPIRACIST<<<<<< perhaps the left needs to investigate some conspiracy areas. i know, its not "materialist" always, but it can be, people consider marxism to be a conspiracy theory by the way. there is some very fishy shit going on, you can make your own conclusions. Again, i do not think its the people of Judaism nor do i think its being used. just get that out of your head.
the left needs to be a little more conspiratorial in its analysis.
THAT IS WHY MARXISM WAS POPULAR, BECAUSE IT WAS AN UNDERGROUND CURRENT VERY WELL UNDERSTOOD IN YOUR HEART
what im saying is if you tell people 'we need to do communism' vs. the bourgeoisie are entering an endgame class war of rich vs poor, police and military police state, they are gonna take ur freedom.. what would resonate more??
like TAKE ONE second to try to think thru the frame of mind of a reactionary american for the love of god.
IT DOESNT MAKE YOU REACTIONARY TO ENTERTAIN THESE IDEAS
OK yeah if that is what is supposed to be going on here, it's basically a major regression in political thinking but unfortunately it is what is promoted by memes.
China: 4k deaths
US: 600k deaths
one of these countries knows how to handle a pandemic
But that's authoritarianism! And they're clearly lying! And the US is inflating its figures for... reasons! And China started it to kill us all!
The same person: It's all a hoax! It's just the flu! The vaccine is going to sterilize us all! My opinions are totally consistent.
CDC: Why contain it? Let it spill over the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end they'll beg us to save them.
hmm. I hope you aren't underestimating the problem, the others may not go as quietly as you think. I've received reports of armed attacks on shipments. There's not enough vaccine to go around, and the underclasses are starting to get desperate.
Making money by sacrificing the lives and well-being of regular people in pursuit of short term profits is so baked into the system, it's like the only trick capitalists know, that they just can't wrap their heads around any solution that puts the lives of people ahead of economic concerns.
I literally cannot imagine Americans bothering to get booster shots :agony-shivering:
I'm sorry does this say that 15% of deaths in May due to COVID-19 were of vaccinated individuals?
It felt like a purely political maneuver to me.
Biden wanted a "Mission Accomplished" moment and they wanted to boost the economy, so they looked at the most optimistic estimates to make their decisions. All while India was being getting completely savaged by the delta variant. The also knew damn well antivaccinated and antimaskers would not use the honor system when it comes to mask guidence.
I remember that day and everyone being surprised and a bit suspicious but we just really wanted to believe it was true, so we did
The immediate next step for the agency is to “acknowledge the war has changed,”
ok PMC bourgeois warrrior
“This is one of the most impressive examples of citizen science I have seen,” said Dr. Celine Gounder, an infectious disease specialist at Bellevue Hospital Center in New York. “The people involved in the Provincetown outbreak were meticulous in making lists of their contacts and exposures.”
fucking Massachusetts psychos lmao
THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Today, I want to talk with you about COVID-19.
Maybe the best way to start is: In a significant part of the country, you wouldn’t have to take one of these off, you don’t have to put one on — like in my home state of Delaware, where I lived in New Castle County, where I was yesterday in Pennsylvania — because people got vaccinated. They got vaccinated. They don’t need a mask when the majority — the vast majority of people got vaccinated.
The “best way to start” :biden-harbinger:
Literally ignoring both the CDC and WHO. What are libs going to say about this?
Biden is gearing up to lockdown for a month of course.
Right?
I did. there wasn't a vax when I was a kid and symptoms for it tended to be less severe, so parents would schedule chicken pox get togethers to spread it and get immunity.
I remember it being annoying and staying home from school, watching cartoons, and being watched/told to stop scratching constantly.
I never really thought about it but I guess like all the adults in my life have similar experiences. I remember the nurse giving me one of my rounds of shots was saying how dangerous it can be so it's crazy to me that parents intentionally gave it to their kids.
If I remember right, it's only really dangerous if you get it as an adult. As a kid you get bumpy/itchy and then it goes away.
It can kill adults without immunity.
yeah, like 10 years before the vax was around, I remember the only fear about it was for adults who hadn't gotten it as a kid. chance of severe symptoms and death skyrocket for adults and it's stupidly contagious. and it seemed like it was always around, moving through the schools. it seemed like if you wanted a job that involved working with kids, you better have already had it as a kid.
and it's not like the kid I got it from had to spit in my mouth. we just hung out in the same room for lunch, watched tv and he showed me his blisters.
Yes, bc Mother was an antivaxer. I also have had shingles multiple times since. It's the fucking worst.
(i got my mom to take the covid vax tho thank god)
I'm so sorry :meow-hug: my mom didn't become antivaxx until I was a teenager so I got all my important shots and now can get the others in secret
aw thanks comrade. Yeah shingles is hella painful, do not recommend. I have had it twice during very high stress periods of my life. Immunity is a fucc
Could the shingles vaccine do anything for you? Hopefully you don't have another flare-up :meow-hug:
Had it. Was basically quarantined in my bedroom and watched tv, ate soup, etc. Still got some scars because i couldnt stop scratching.
my country doesn't vaccine against it
somehow i still managed to not get it as a kid, and then i got vaxxed as an adult
I don't think people realise how bad this is. The RO (average amount of people a person with Covid infects) of the virus has effectively doubled. This is very bad, as R0 increases exponentially. So Covid delta is probably between 20 to 40 times more infectious than the original Covid strain.
More details here, highly recommend reading the twitter thread
https://hexbear.net/post/129415/comment/1494932
https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1420974032522866690
- They believe the period of infectivity is longer (high levels of viral shedding for 18, rather than 13 days).
:shrek-pixel-despair:
Was the original not as contagious as chickenpox?
also, I didn't think chickenpox was THAT contagious.
I clearly know jack shit about virology.
The rate of spread of a virus follows a logistic curve. Those start off as exponential growth then slowly turn into exponential decay as they hit some max (everyone has had the virus, in this case). In virology, they call the base of the exponent at the start R₀.
Every math youtube channel and whatnot did this bit at the start of the pandemic. Being already familiar with exponential stuff, I assumed R₀ was somewhere in the 1-2 range. You know, because a huge compound interest rate is 1.1. Or in computer science, a base 2 exponent means something is either impossible or free. I didn't look up the actual numbers for months.
Anyway, it turns out that R₀ values for viruses are fucking wild and I was hella wrong about it being in the 1-2 range.
- Flu R₀: 1.3
- Common cold R₀: 2
- Aids R₀: 3
- Covid Classic R₀: 4
- Smallpox R₀: 4
- Polio R₀: 5
- Rubella R₀: 6
- Covid Delta R₀: 6
- Mumps R₀: 10
- Chickenpox R₀: 10
- Measles R₀: 14
R0 is the average amount of people a person infected with an illness will pass it on to/transmit too. It's exponential by nature. Original Covid strain had an R0 between 3 and 4, Covid delta has an to R0 between 5 and 9. Chicken pox has an R0 around 10. I'm just going to illustrate an example comparing an R0 of 3 Vs one of 6, imagine this is the difference between Covid original and Covid delta.
Example of an R0 of 3 (Original Covid)
1 person infects 3 people. Now 4 people have the the virus. Now those three people infect three people each (3x3). Now 13 people have the virus. Now those 9 new hosts infect 3 people each. (9x3) Now 40 people have the virus. Now those 27 new hosts infect 3 people each (27x3). Now 121 people have the virus. Now those 81 new hosts infect 3 people each (81x3). Now 324 people have the virus. Etc, etc etc
Example of an R0 of 6. (Delta variant)
1 person infects 6 people. Now 7 people have the virus. The 6 new hosts infect 6 people each. (6x6). Now 41 people have the virus. The 36 new hosts infect 6 people each. (36x6). Now 257 people have the virus. Now those 216 hew hosts infect 6 people each (216x6). Now 1512 people have the virus. Now those 1296 new hosts infect 6 people each (1296x6). Now 9288 people have the virus.
So just a doubling of the R0 from around 3 to around 6 increases infectivity of the virus 28 times, as R0 is exponential by nature.
So if COVID classic is at a 4, and Delta is at 6... that's a 50% increase? So it's more, but not exponentially more?
It means that if you dropped the average person with Covid Classic into a completely unexposed, unvaccinated population, they'd infect 4 people, but if they had Covid Delta they'd infect 6.
No difference between two numbers is exponential. 2 → 4 → 6 → 8 → 10 is linear. 2 → 4 → 8 → 16 → 32 is exponential. 2 → 4 is nothing.
Problem is they're estimating the R0 of Covid delta between 5 and 9, which is uhh very not good if it turns out to be closer to the upper bound
R0 isn't some stable thing, contrary to popular belief. It is influenced by how people behave and environmental factors.
True but the behaviour of your average American is not a positive in this case either.
Yeah that's why I said that, to explain why in some places it may be higher
It's exponentially more unfortunately. R0 is exponential by nature
Here's the graph from the CDC comparing diseases. Covid delta is almost a new illness in terms of transmission
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7hKcosVIAQr_a9?format=jpg&name=large
If you had an earth full of people who had never had chicken pox, the rate of spread if you introduced it would be brutal.
Well then. When there was a chickenpox outbreak in elementary school, I managed to get one because I was vaccinated. Hopefully there will be an equivalent if I get this delta variant.
Vaccine effectiveness has dropped with Delta, but not by much.
Yeah look at the screenshot I posted above. Israel's data is not looking good, and they're acting accordingly. Though there have been questions around the accuracy of their data, as it's an outlier compared to the rest of the world
