call me a fucking rube but its probably not csam, and any negative reaction received is adequately explained by the fact you implied the OP wanted to use it for CSAM first. Even if it's not really possible, disappearing or un-recordable messages has been a desired and attempted feature for reasons besides just CSAM for years, even if it does get used for such ends eventually. Signal has this, snapchat famously does it, etc. and maybe those were bad ideas and shouldn't have been released, idk, but it doesn't mean that every user and use case is sus.
The fact that the OP is fine with it having glaring security holes (like you can just take a picture of the screen with another phone/camera) is a decent sign that its not what you imply, IMO. I get that it was the account's first post but it's a 4 month old account too so idk.
Navigating the current social media landscape as a newer parent these days is pretty tough when dealing with relatives who may not fully respect or understand a 'no posting pictures online's rule.
Most people I know have had to resort to using third party hosting apps with their own built-in security features which comes with their own security concerns by nature so I think the question is valid and with good intent at least without any additional information. Pointing out possible flaws and exploitations is fine, but accusatorially jumping to the worst scenario right off the bat comes off as confrontational so I can't really blame OOP.
I know my opinion doesn't mean much around here, but I appreciate that mods have to deal with some awful shit and people on a daily basis though and thank you for doing what you do to keep the internet and, by extension, the people safe.
yeah people can't even wrap their heads around "no I don't have an apple/google smartphone" or "no I don't use social media" so "don't post these cute baby pics online" must be even more alien
I'm firmly in the "I don't use social media" camp and it really is a very bizarre thing for a lot of people to wrap their heads around.
What makes it worse is that the same people who attempt to post them pictures also take personal offense at being asked to remove them typically so it just makes for a very uncomfortable situation so if there are tools to avoid it I can understand wanting them. People have a hard time grasping that what you put on the internet is there forever.
I guess in this case I am a bit more in the opposite camp. My family is pretty good on pictures and consent. I think in total there are like maybe 4 pictures of me on the entire internet, including a selfie I took myself wearing a mask with photoshopped eyes.
I may have been very sleep deprived and jumped to that conclusion because of past trauma, but to say that my concern over this is because I "must always have CSAM on the brain" is way beyond my much more mild accusation that requesting such an app raised alarm bells in my brain, if it weren't for the fact that my genuine concern was met with practically a direct accusation is the only reason I made a post dunking on them.
I'm aware of at least some of the recent issues and I'm absolutely sympathetic. Innocence is something that you just can't get back once you've seen some of the more depraved parts of humanity 🫤.
With that being said, you did come in a bit too hot on this one. I think you could have made your point that it's possible this type of a system would be used for illicit purposes without directly throwing suspicion onto the OP and it would have accomplished the same goal.
As an outside observer it really reads like someone asking how to safely share family photos and you coming in and saying "Why do you want this, pedo? Sounds like something a pedo would say!" Obviously this a satirical dramatization, but your 2nd, 3rd and 5th paragraphs give your response a very accusatory tone even if that wasn't your intent. I think most rational people would react strongly negatively to implicitly being called a pedophile in earnest.
forgive me for being over-cautious when I see stuff like this, and honestly @lemontree@lemm.ee I am sorry for coming on a bit strong there but my level of awareness of this shit comes unfortunately from traumatic personal experience. What I did not do was state directly that you yourself were asking for this for that purpose, I was more illustrating the technical barriers to what you were asking when that thought occurred to me and I felt the need to add that. What was told to me was "if you're so concerned about this you must be constantly thinking about CSAM" which is definitely not true, and we totally had a huge fediverse wide problem with this very recently so it's something that is probably on every moderators mind in some way.
I get where you're coming from for sure, it is a significant issue online in general and tools to facilitate it abound, both on self-hosted platforms and big tech platforms (who have better tools but lack the human element)
But if you come to someone who, presumably, is asking in good faith about a photo sharing tool, and bring up CSAM and in that context call them "sus" it's not surprising they got angry and turned that around on you, even if it's not 100% fair or justified.
This is absolutely a reasonable request. I want to share pictures of my family with close relatives without seeing them plastered all over Facebook or wherever. It’s an awkward situation, and this person is trying to come up with a technical solution.
It’s doomed to fail, of course, because said relatives can (and will) take photos of their screens and post those online. It sucks!
Saying this seems related to CSAM is a pretty fucking wild accusation, tbh
honestly as long as you don't mind 1 or 2 making their way online indirectly like that and having to deal with that the old fashioned way (talking to them, asking them to delete them, removing them from the group that receives the pics if necessary), the technical solution could at least significantly reduce the effort involved in maintaining such a policy, though it wouldn't solve it outright
That’s been my exact experience! In my case, it was getting the grandparents an iPad and using iCloud shared albums. They weren’t able to export the photos from the tablet, and that stemmed the tide for a good while.
Maybe it’s retribution for the times I didn’t listen to them as a kid, but at least I had the excuse of being a kid
Even if this was in good faith the fact they try to turn around my pointing out all the nefarious ways this could be used even if it were possible (which it is not) is just me having CSAM on the brain all the time and totally not because platforms like lemm.ee and other less vigilant instances have ever had problems with this exact fucking shit already.
@sunaurus@lemm.ee handle this shit please.
Also yeah I am hypervigilant about this shit because I was involved in a fucking case involving this shit as a kid myself.
You are correct it is not possible.
You are totally incorrect that the reason it is not possible has anything to do with CSAM.
The difficulty in creating such an applications is not some kind of guardrail implemented by Child Saving Heros.
It is simply that the only way to view a file on a given device is to download that file onto that device. There is no other way. Streaming is fake. Since the file exists on the device, it can be captured.
You know how you show photos to your relative in a way they can't steal them? Put them in a physical photo album and show them when they visit you. No phones.
I agree you are bringing up CSAM out of fucking nowhere. You know people want to have privacy for all kinds of reasons. (Even though they can't have it... :( ). It is backwards as fuck to make accusations like that. Like where can I even start. Post is long enough already.
Just to be clear are you dunking yourself? Maybe I mis understood
