They know voting is being suppressed. They just don’t care.
not having your head stoved in by me is also a privilege I extend to many conservatives, so they should really cool it with this type of shit before I pull the framing hammer out of my pant loop.
We are incompatible in one nation. Two diametrically opposed realities
we should reach across the aisle harder, but with bullets
Back in about 2017 or 2018, when I was still very much on the right, this was a talking point I heard a lot.
“it’s not a democracy, it’s a representative republic! the founders did not intend democracy”
Correct, that's why it sucks.
It’s insidious in that it conflates “all voters should act responsibly” with “only responsible people should be allowed to vote” and leaves responsibility very vague. I agree that voting is a freedom which requires responsibility, but it’s the authoritarian mindset that appends “and therefore I will defer to my betters to ensure that happens”
I think there are Americans who feel a genuine responsibility to help people in their communities. I don’t think many of us experience it very often but it’s there
Yeah that one is a deflection from what voting really is.
It's giving permission to govern, not formulating "well conceived choices" on who should govern.
Really gotta make explicit what's a normative claim and what's descriptive
They're asking both. The headline is addressing the "should" question, but the article goes a little deeper.
The survey ... also finds a rare point of partisan agreement when it comes to the importance of all qualified citizens being allowed to vote. However, there are sizable differences in confidence about whether this is happening – and even wider differences in confidence in whether people not legally qualified to vote are prevented from voting.
Nearly all Americans (94%) – including 95% of both Republicans and Democrats – say it is important that people who are legally qualified to vote are able to cast a ballot, with 82% saying it is very important.
A large majority of Republicans (87%) are at least somewhat confident that legally qualified people are able to vote if they want to, including 54% who are very confident this is the case. Democrats express less confidence: 69% say they are at least somewhat confident that legally qualified people are able to cast a ballot, and just 28% say they are very confident in this.
Not sure if it counts as quiet considering limiting the franchise is what conservatives have always argued for.
No worries! One old white guy in a powdered wig is much the same as another.
I don't understand, and will never understand, the will behind creating that show. Like why try to reclaim - even for the sake of rainbow capitalist liberaldom - one of the whitest, most elitist guys of a class composed entirely of white elites? Why should fucking Hamilton, of all people, be a figure celebrated as a woke shibboleth?
Why should fucking Hamilton, of all people, be a figure celebrated as a woke shibboleth?
That's a great question. I started a thread...
https://hexbear.net/post/130039
Goddamn, I hope someone can answer that question. It would save me a lot of angry confusion.
Could potentially be a good thing if more conservatives are vocal about this and break the illusion of functioning democracy at the ballot box (aside from the "republic, not democracy" shite). Then again, maybe I'm underestimating American laziness/faith in electoralism.
his recent hijinks have me really wanting to revive and flesh out my character "Joe-Joe Bidenks"
Given how he would still have the "privilege", I can see why.
Here's an honestly put question looking for opinions/takes:
Should all
criminalsincarcerated individuals be allowed to vote? Incarceration for serious crimes allows the state to deprive an individual of nearly all of their rights. Why is the forfeiture of freedom of action more "acceptable" than the forfeiture of participation in electoral politics?EDIT: I corrected some things.
The important part is that the state cannot be incentivized in any way to incarcerate people. By disenfranchising criminals the state is incentivized to make those that disagree with them criminals. Incarceration, if used at all must be a burden on the state, and therefore a last resort. Disenfranchising criminals is essentially giving the state the opportunity to pay to eliminate the right to vote. Given how tight elections can be this can be disastrous.
Incarceration is bad across the board. I can’t of any arguments for keeping incarceration around but allowing inmates to vote that isn’t purely political or practical
There's an argument to be made that reeducation, therapy, and medicine and the lack thereof are the main causes of "dangerous" people.
A refocus of prisons into rehabilitation centers for people that offer all these to the patients would be the way to handle it.
I can't think of a good reason to just throw someone in a violent hole and feed them slop for 20 years and then boot them on the street thinking it'll somehow make them a better person lmao
Otherwise, if they're just fucking high ranking fascists or something equally heinous, I don't see the point of keeping them around in general.
There's some definitional and intentional differences involved, but yeah it wouldn't like be the thing you want to end up at but it's better than the "I will never have a future again" situation that is prisons
*unless you aren't worthy. Then get back to the fields and shut your mouth, peasant.
I don't understand how they can maintain that they have the moral high ground.
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Establish that voting is a privilege, by insisting that you need to vote responsibly to prevent Bad Things from happening
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Denounce the opposition as frivolous, infantile, and actively harmful to the public
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Rally around the police state and insist everyone in opposition is "breaking the law!"
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Use police violence as a tool to strip people of their voting rights
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Win the next round of elections and use that to cement your image as Democratic and Popular
Eventually, you just establish a kind-of inertial force that people buck at their own peril. Everyone just wants to go with the flow, so they don't dispute something they believe all their neighbors fundamentally agree with.
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