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go to your country's last census, and see if there's a stat for income source. anyone listed as "investments as sole/main source of income" is boug. If you could be bothered I'm sure you could do this with the whole world.
just checked and my local suburb is 12% boug :back-to-me-shining:
That could also just be a lot of elderly people on retirement/pensions
not sure about where you are but our census records the two separately
If we take the percentage of people that were considered landlords pre land reform in China, 3.79 percent, and extrapolate across curent world population, 7.674b, we get 290.844m. This seems like a fine ballpark estimate to me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Reform_Movement_(China)
Its almost too coincidental how close my guess is to the population of the usa
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pff that's across the whole world, when we come we will be billions
that's just landlords too, if we consider allllll the other types of private assets, it's probably like 3-4x as much I'd guess
So what the data said was 3.79% landlords and ~3 percent rich peasants. The rest was divided among middle and low farmers.
We have an idea about what private assets are from our experience within capitalism, but in an agrarian economy land is pretty much the only private asset. Most basic things, soap, clothes, food, among others are done within the home. The creation of more complex goods, iron tools, carriages, barrels, pottery, are done by artisans, and while I don't know a lot about this I'd wager that their situation is pretty distinct from our modern idea of a small business owner.
My understanding is that in agrarian economies the ruling class generally lets the village run itself and then just comes in once in a while to take the goodies, execute a few people just because, whatever.
What this data is really saying, afaik, is that those whose work/life is inextricably linked with the means are about 3.79%. Like, someone might invest in a single apartment for rent or invest in a variety of stocks but they are still mostly experiencing life as an accountant, clerk, nurse, or whatever. Business owners, landlords, executives, shareholders/investors/venturecapitalists/speculators, are the ones in our current society who fall under the status most similar to the agrarian landlord. If we were to do a revolution those are the people who are in danger of getting the chop.
The existence of the petit bourgeoisie (to account for the more complex relationship between exploiter and exploited) does expand who is incentivized materially to keep the current system. However, I'd wager that those whose livelyhood is entirely rooted in the positive act of exploitation rather than the negative act of working to maintain it is pretty similar.
Sorry about the readability of that last bit.
Edit: this source says that there are 760,000 business owners in the USA https://www.zippia.com/business-owner-jobs/demographics/
this source says that only 6m of the 31m total US businesses employ workers https://smallbiztrends.com/small-business-statistics
3.79% of 328m is ~12.4m
To give you perspective, there are a million millionaires in NYC alone. The global bourgeois is probably around 100-200 million tops.
just gonna put it out there that there are definitely more bullets than people out there lol. there's probably enough ammo in the US alone to do it.
uh it's more like the millions honestly, but the low millions. if you consider all the economies in the world, and all of the people within those who own means of production or some kind of rent seeking thing like property, it's a lot. if you include the petite bourgeoisie then it's tens to hundreds of millions. and then ofc things get complex with how we define own the means of production, with stocks and shareholders, and investment and things, it's not like there's 1 ultra rich baron who owns a thing outright, right? it's all these fractions of ownership that does pay out. so, it's kind of a very complex question that you could answer in many ways depending on how you look at it
well on the one hand capital has ofc accumulated more and more. but then you have post colonial states with their own national bourgeoisie, places like India for instance that would have had all that shit owned by Brits before. then you have the exponential population growth and economic growth in that time. so there's a lot of factors that feed into it going up or down, it's a very complex and broad thing
but, if I had to ballpark it, I'd say about 5-10% of the global population if you want to go real far with it. but at the least, it's still tens of millions probably
Probably 100million or so. 1% of the global pop is something like 75m.
VoC projecting once again, but this time they're right.
'the one percent' is more like a rhetorical thing, way more people own means of production and assets that make money off of workers than just 1/100 people
oh abolutely, just saying its likely in the order of millions rather than tens or even hundreds of thousands
while baseless I don't think its unreasonable. With how humans conceive of numbers, a K, M or B really doesn't reflect the magnitude of the difference between them.
I am one. So, hundreds is a lot. Therefore a lot lot is like, maybe thousands? Tens of thfousands?
Numbers start to lose meaning beyond that.
The petite bourgeois are the heart of capital not the grand bourgeois. The petite bourgeois act as the mass core and foot soldiers of the social system and without them the system goes into crisis, which is what we are seeing now. It is also one of the reasons capitalism is so unstable, the nature of capital means that it constantly has to be enclosing and absorbing smaller agglomerations of capital.
One way to estimate is to find out how many people make their living through stock market investments.
Another is to take the data that we get Gini coefficients from, and present it slightly differently.
Whichever way, I would say a couple million. Estimating that "for one very rich man there must be at least five hundred poor", we get somewhere within the range of 5-15 million, distributed across all countries.
About 10%. 1% billionaires and 9% millionaires or perite-bourgeois.
