What's going on Americans?

  • Nakoichi [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    There was an exchange of gunfire when a proud boy fired at counter protesters who returned fire. Nobody was injured but things are escalating still. That was on the 22nd. They're also about to see mass evictions in the middle of the on going pandemic just before winter.

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I mean, why is every chud freaking out about Portland being the worst place in the world? Suddenly everyone is attacking portland for some reason and I don't really understand it because I don't even know what a Portland is lol

      • mr_world [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Do you remember the 90s? People were talking about getting piercings and tribal tattoos. People were singing about saving the planet and forming bands. There's a place where that idea still exists as a reality -- Portland. Remember when people were content to be unambitious. They sleep until 11am. Just hung out with their friends. They had no occupations whatsoever. Maybe work a couple hours a week at a coffee shop. Portland is a city where young people go to retire.

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        Seriously, Oregon was created as a white-only state. Oregon and Portland was historically racist and bad place. Then in the 00s it became hip to live there so everyone moved there from California and there was a lot of gentrification. Probably for a decade now the city has street fights between antifa and chuds. The Pacific Northwest of the US has lots of white nationalists and anti-state right wing extremists. There have been literal terrorist training camps there. Huge part of the militia movement in the 80s and 90s. Portland is this very liberal place surrounded by lots of chuds.

        • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Is that also why chuds hate California so much? Because the cost of living is so high, many Californians are going to move to what they feel are "their" states, and what happened to Oregon (it's electorally a solid blue state because of one city) will happen to, say, Texas?

          • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            There are a lot of homeless people which chuds hyper fixate on if it's a liberal city because they are making the streets unclean.

        • bigboopballs [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Remember when people were content to be unambitious. They sleep until 11am. Just hung out with their friends. They had no occupations whatsoever. Maybe work a couple hours a week at a coffee shop. Portland is a city where young people go to retire.

          damn, that sound great. Fuck all this propaganda about being "ambitious"

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Do you remember the 90s?

          No, you boomer.

          But anyways, doesn't sound so bad. Why the war zone narrative?

          • coeliacmccarthy [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Portland is an isolated cosmopolitan center in a state where it was literally illegal to be black until like 1940

            It also has relatively few people the chuds are genuinely scared of. Ever notice that the chuds never do armed invasions of "hellhole" areas of cities where gun violence is relatively common and the people they'd face wouldn't be pasty noodle-armed glorified posters?

            Thus it's a soft easy target and a place where they think they can have fun. They want to go own the bluehairs and make good social media content, not to die.

            • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              It also has relatively few people the chuds are genuinely scared of. Ever notice that the chuds never do armed invasions of “hellhole” areas of cities where gun violence is relatively common and the people they’d face wouldn’t be pasty noodle-armed glorified posters?

              literally why don't they don't these guys have tons of guns and military training from their little militia camps

              (plz I just want to see gun battles between Chudihijadeen and street gangs)

              • bigboopballs [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                (plz I just want to see gun battles between Chudihijadeen and street gangs)

                I'm sure there will be plenty of time. It's just going to take a few more years...

      • Nakoichi [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Portland is a super liberal city in the middle of one of the whitest most racist states in the country. They even frequently elect demsocs to local positions. The chuds hate them for this and also fixate on it as a component of their "antifa invaders" rhetoric. They go there and march around knowing that it has a strong anti-fascist tradition (being a progressive enclave in the Pacific Northwest). They also point to it as a land of lawlessness because of the clashes with police in anti-cop protests and loudly proclaim it is a failure of liberal policy.

        And it works. They get to play victim to their base and spineless libs like Mayor Ted Wheeler will keep caving to them to prove they're not taking a side with the "violent antifa who are just as bad"

        • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          They also point to it as a land of lawlessness because of the clashes with police in anti-cop protests and loudly proclaim it is a failure of liberal policy.

          Don't forget because homeless people existing

      • ForbiddenMemories [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Listen to the Radio War Nerd episode with a dude who moved to rural Washington state and covered their freakout over the "Antifa bus" among other things. The US has been cultivating these types since at least Vietnam (free military training) compounded with neoliberal decline, hippie and religious shit, and the broader mythology the US tells itself.

        https://youtube.com/watch?v=CANbDNySQVc

        • Nakoichi [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          People should check out Kathleen Belew's Bring The War Home for a great history of the post vietnam white power movement.

      • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Chuds love a pithy object of hate and melodrama.

        Also Portland has some of the larger fights between chud groups and leftists.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Portland or Seattle will be where some of the first big skirmishes between armed leftists and fascists will be in the coming years.

  • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The Nazis stopped stabbing people and started shooting people, but other than that, just the usual. Oh, and the anarchist movement migrated up here from Eugene and everyone to the right of Bernie is big mad.

  • BruceWillis [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    here is a podcast that explains the anti-fascist history of portland going back to the 1980s.

    here is a podcast about the recent proud boys invasion and street fighting with anti-fascists.

  • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Portland (and Seattle, but that's not relevant here) is a city that has internal politics divided between technocratic Warren-style libs and a vaguely-anarchist populist left. The urban Pacific NW is viewed by the rural PNW as imposing its politics onto the rest of those states, which are deeply reactionary, because at the state level, both WA and OR have a weak sort of popular front that has thus far simply kept reelecting libs and using the referendum processes of the states to push to the left of their elected officials (it's not impossible that WA gets single payer healthcare through an initiative in the next two years, for instance). As a result, reactionaries like to gather in these cities to attack minority communities and generally try to terrorize the cities and get them to spend a lot of money on security, while producing propaganda about how dangerous those cities are.

    In reality, Portland is fairly safe, even if its cops are complete psychopaths. It was one of the centers of resistance during the uprising for Black Lives, which is used by the chuds to pretend the whole city was somehow burned down (it was not in any way). This then turned into the myth that antifascists were lighting fires in rural Oregon during last year's brutal fire season. The whole thing is batshit and the worst part of Portland are its shitty, racist police with the first police union in the US and its insanely high cost of living.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      This then turned into the myth that antifascists were lighting fires in rural Oregon during last year’s brutal fire season.

      Wow, I didn't know we were doing the Reichstag fire, but dumber already

  • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Anteefa is rioting, according to mainstream takes.

    Chud groups are entering and harassing, antifa et Al are being cool per usual, cops are "standing back" because they're not getting paid their protection money.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Oregon was founded on a principle of racial exclusion, it's not surprising that its material state is a hotbed for fascist development. The cities become a source of some actual left militancy in response. Neither has much sway over the relatively left liberal status quo. But these groups are clashing in the streets regardless.