Just imagine if we didn't have complete understanding of human nature. We might actually need an age of consent :very-intelligent:

  • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    God holy shit I really, REALLY want to see an actual ancap/libertarian state. I guess Chile under Pineapplechet was the closest thing but man like I just want to see the whole r/hermancainaward thing but with like....everything. It kind of sucks that people would suffer but I really think the right wing as a whole will eventually win the historical battle and we'll all go extinct from climate change but it would be kinda funny to watch them in the last days dealing with megastorms and shit and be being like, "well it's no big deal, get back to work slaves"

    I mean that sounds ridiculous but these assholes are currently dropping like flies from a virus that is either just the flu or straight up doesn't exist and they STILL insist it's not a big deal

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Oh there was some kind of story about a town that libertarians took over and they had all sorts of problems including bears coming in and setting up camp. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

      • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I think the funnier one is the white dude bros setting up an anarcho capitalist commune in Mexico and one of their guys was doing something stupid like selling drugs and then they had a run in with Actually Existing Anarcho Capitalism and the local cartel busted in their doors and killed one guy and shot another

        https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-galton-wanted-libertarian-paradise-in-anarchapulco-he-got-bullets-instead

        • JuryNullification [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Or more white dude bros setting up shop in Chile but it was actually just fraud the whole time and also no one wanted to deal with sewage so no one dealt with it.

          https://www.vice.com/en/article/bn53b3/atlas-mugged-922-v21n10

      • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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        3 years ago

        https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling

      • star_wraith [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I think they set up one in Chile and literally called it Galt's Gulch.

    • Owl [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      A modern state is already an ancap state, because their ideology forbids nothing and permits everything. Ancaps are okay with private corporations enforcing their own laws, enforcing their land ownership via private military, and restricting freedom of movement for people born on their land. They're just very confused about thinking they're somehow opposed to something.

        • Owl [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The only ancap I know is very well-read. There's some deeper disconnect there, like he doesn't believe in consequentialism, or the logical conclusion of an ideology is separate from the validity of the ideology, or something, I dunno.

          • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I sometimes think they know it's bullshit but their emotional reasoning tells them they would be a benefactor just because they're "chosen" or whatever. Unless they're rich, which in that case there's zero reason to not go full 1488 helicopter ride

          • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I mean, they talk about how we're all stupid and illiterate, and they seem pretty convinced. We're just pawns for (crony) capitalists, they say. Could it be we're all just misinformed?

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      For quite a few years Somalia didn't have a functioning government. The perfect libertarian utopia.

      • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        bogpill me on the Congo Free State

        already know about the hands

        • richietozier4 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Unlike other colonies, it wasn’t run as a protectorate, Governorate, or directly annexed (at least until 1908), it was run directly by the king as his private property and was operated as a personal profit making venture

    • LeninsRage [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      All their little attempted utopian projects predictably fail extremely quickly (or are literally just scams targeting idiots) but arguably the closest historical example we have of a government that attempted the "almost entirely powerless central government" model was the Articles of Confederation and that also of course failed so badly they had to write a new Constitution.