The first picture is mostly bikes and the few people lying on the ground are still clearly alive as you can see them lifting their heads to see whats going on. I can't spot any dead people in the second pic either. Also lol at believing a 'British ambassador'
Can you circle the dead bodies in red? Because there literally are none. There are a lot of bikes and a couple of alive people on the ground. What more do you want? Are my eyes just lying to me, so I need to trust Western media instead?
Edit: To be clear, yeah, something clearly happened that caused these people to panic. A couple dozen people dropped their bikes and fled. A couple other people were presumably knocked off their bikes in the confusion. But where is the killing?
But ... you're the one claiming that abandoned bikes are dead bodies. How does that work?
Congratulations though, you finally linked a couple of pictures of what could potentially be dead bodies. Or they could be unconscious / injured in the panic which led everyone to drop their bikes and run away. It's pretty difficult to tell.
Or they could be unconscious / injured in the panic which led everyone to drop their bikes and run away. It’s pretty difficult to tell.
Tipping over on your bicycle wouldn't tear apart your clothes like that. I've had plenty of bike accidents, none of them have ever reduced my shirt into a bloody strip of fabric. We can call into question Western narratives without disbelieving our own eyes and trying to convince ourselves that people who have been maimed are just taking naps. You can support something without pretending it's never had any flaws.
Man, I'm just pointing out that I have no idea what is going on in these grainy, black & white, questionable contextless pictures and neither does any random anti-communist who links them.
It's really fascinating how you're always on the attack, and never actually address valid criticisms that are made of your arguments. It's almost like you're here specifically to stir shit and not actually to discuss anything. Very :amogus:
Prove you're not a wrecker and address this: Why did you link a picture of a few dozen abandoned bikes claiming they are dead bodies?
I count maybe one body, on the crossing. The rest are lying on a stomach (which implies orders), not death though. Like I would say they were commanded to immediately abandon bikes and wait for arrest under arms threat :shrug-outta-hecks:
Yeah, you're right. The more I look into it, the less of a crazy incident it seems to be. However, it was still shitty, and it still played right into the hands of the anti-communist propagandists. It was a fucking stupid thing to do.
The leaders weren't "deliberately trying to get students killed"... what she said was that she feared that that may be the only way for them to get the attention they needed and to get the general population to turn against the government, and for the government to change.
curious how you focused on that particular instance though, maybe you value some lives less (see conflicts on the African continent and near east) or you're huffing a hefty dose of propaganda or you're yourself a nato orb, which is it?
I can't even do a list of the extent of comparable events, it's that long, plus you've been misinformed, evidence suggests the deaths happened in other parts of Beijing and not among students
that is too large as i said, even with just recent protests you have all the countries of the arab spring, sudan, mali, myanmar, israel, the philippinnes, India (not sure on that one), afghanistan, nigeria, the ivory coast, south africa, papua new guinea, indonesia... that’s not even talking much larger scale events (second african war, yemen civil war, timor leste struggle for independance...)
You're right. The more I look into it, the less crazy of an event that it seems. It was still shitty though. And definitely played right into the hands of the anti-communist propagandists.
People are literally looking up or taking cover you dumb motherfucker, do you have eyes or is there just cables piping hot shit into your braincells? Jesus christ.
Im looking at the goddamn photo and every person I see is either crouched, on a bike or flat on their stomach, supporting their head with their arms, meaning they are taking cover and not dead.
Yea, it's called having eyes that aren't blinded by western propaganda. I see mostly bikes and a few people holding their heads up, clearly not dead, meanwhile you seem to somehow see countless dead corpses... I wonder why.
:cringe: unironically using the political compass is probably the only thing more cringe then unironically using tankie, I award you no points, may god have mercy on your soul
The first picture is mostly bikes and the few people lying on the ground are still clearly alive as you can see them lifting their heads to see whats going on. I can't spot any dead people in the second pic either. Also lol at believing a 'British ambassador'
Really, really predictable answer. "All I see are bikes!" Jesus.
Can you circle the dead bodies in red? Because there literally are none. There are a lot of bikes and a couple of alive people on the ground. What more do you want? Are my eyes just lying to me, so I need to trust Western media instead?
Edit: To be clear, yeah, something clearly happened that caused these people to panic. A couple dozen people dropped their bikes and fled. A couple other people were presumably knocked off their bikes in the confusion. But where is the killing?
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It's not unreasonable for people to point out that the evidence you provided doesn't prove what you're claiming it does.
It's not unusual to be loved by anyone either.
Don't take tom jones in vain
Awww! What's new, pussycat?
someone pushing state department propaganda on my leftist shitposting site
LOL. Shit. Ya got me! Guess I've gotta delete my account now.
:sicko-yes:
:yes:
But ... you're the one claiming that abandoned bikes are dead bodies. How does that work?
Congratulations though, you finally linked a couple of pictures of what could potentially be dead bodies. Or they could be unconscious / injured in the panic which led everyone to drop their bikes and run away. It's pretty difficult to tell.
Tipping over on your bicycle wouldn't tear apart your clothes like that. I've had plenty of bike accidents, none of them have ever reduced my shirt into a bloody strip of fabric. We can call into question Western narratives without disbelieving our own eyes and trying to convince ourselves that people who have been maimed are just taking naps. You can support something without pretending it's never had any flaws.
Man, I'm just pointing out that I have no idea what is going on in these grainy, black & white, questionable contextless pictures and neither does any random anti-communist who links them.
Yeah on these photos it’s obviously dead people, but not on the big one. shit sucks eh
Wow. Just... wow.
It's really fascinating how you're always on the attack, and never actually address valid criticisms that are made of your arguments. It's almost like you're here specifically to stir shit and not actually to discuss anything. Very :amogus:
Prove you're not a wrecker and address this: Why did you link a picture of a few dozen abandoned bikes claiming they are dead bodies?
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Real radlib baby brain hours here
:fedposting: :amogus: :ursus-hexagonia:
WTF does that mean?
Lmao grow up kid
Ok boomer.
I count maybe one body, on the crossing. The rest are lying on a stomach (which implies orders), not death though. Like I would say they were commanded to immediately abandon bikes and wait for arrest under arms threat :shrug-outta-hecks:
Wow, guys. Just... wow.
:cia:
Fuck those guys.
ooooh someones making their handler mad, dont risk your pay, would be really embarrassing to do this for free
What are you talking about, dude?
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and yet you refuse to point out where you see dead bodies, as I asked 2 hours ago
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Wow, you're persistent. Ok, let me boot up photoshop real quick... ok, here you go: https://i.imgur.com/sbTCZrw.jpg
ok you're a funny troll at least, I'll give you that
You label two things as dead that are not even clearly organic. They're blurry blobs of pixels.
In the bottom left you label people as dead who are literally sitting up
we're done here, thanks for the laughs
LOL. I'm not trolling. Just trying to lighten the mood.
So you're admitting that you DO see bodies that are clearly dead though? Or the fact that I included a joke invalidates their existence?
In the first picture, no. Nothing you labeled as "clearly dead" is clearly dead. I can do this too.
You're clearly never going to be reasonable about this, so I think we're done.
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Yeah, you're right. The more I look into it, the less of a crazy incident it seems to be. However, it was still shitty, and it still played right into the hands of the anti-communist propagandists. It was a fucking stupid thing to do.
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The leaders weren't "deliberately trying to get students killed"... what she said was that she feared that that may be the only way for them to get the attention they needed and to get the general population to turn against the government, and for the government to change.
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I watched the video. That is not what she is actually saying.
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She is saying that that's most likely the outcome.
Open sectarianism on a theoretically left unity message board, very very cool.
I know, right? Super cool.
Fuck off troll
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
I'm not a troll.
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
I can't get enough of that pic! More please!
Not a troll. Just an anarchist.
You're not an anarchist, you're at best an anticommunist radlib who desperately needs to stop spouting CIA propaganda.
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You're new, so please be aware that we take sectarianism seriously.
Thanks for the explanation.
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I'm going to express my disgust with it, and not endorse any government that does it.
Than you must really hate USA and its govt?
Yup. I do.
curious how you focused on that particular instance though, maybe you value some lives less (see conflicts on the African continent and near east) or you're huffing a hefty dose of propaganda or you're yourself a nato orb, which is it? I can't even do a list of the extent of comparable events, it's that long, plus you've been misinformed, evidence suggests the deaths happened in other parts of Beijing and not among students
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that is too large as i said, even with just recent protests you have all the countries of the arab spring, sudan, mali, myanmar, israel, the philippinnes, India (not sure on that one), afghanistan, nigeria, the ivory coast, south africa, papua new guinea, indonesia... that’s not even talking much larger scale events (second african war, yemen civil war, timor leste struggle for independance...)
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You're right. The more I look into it, the less crazy of an event that it seems. It was still shitty though. And definitely played right into the hands of the anti-communist propagandists.
How the fuck is this garbage being upbeared
Because there are still some reasonable people in this world.
Adorable.
I'm sorry if I've not become a nihilist.
Way to miss the point.
People are literally looking up or taking cover you dumb motherfucker, do you have eyes or is there just cables piping hot shit into your braincells? Jesus christ.
I'm looking at the same photo you are. Maybe I need new glasses, or maybe you need them?
Im looking at the goddamn photo and every person I see is either crouched, on a bike or flat on their stomach, supporting their head with their arms, meaning they are taking cover and not dead.
Then maybe you're blind.
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
I love that photo.
Yea, it's called having eyes that aren't blinded by western propaganda. I see mostly bikes and a few people holding their heads up, clearly not dead, meanwhile you seem to somehow see countless dead corpses... I wonder why.
Yeah, I guess I'm just blinded by western propaganda. You're probably right.
You are likely a chud so its not shocking.
Why does anyone who hates tankies have to be a "chud"? Would you call Bookchin a "chud"?
give me an actual definition for tankie, chud.
Auth-Left.
:cringe: unironically using the political compass is probably the only thing more cringe then unironically using tankie, I award you no points, may god have mercy on your soul
Sorry about that. I'll try to be better.
please do
You can hate tankies all you want but that doesn't preclude you from being a chud.
What would?
:yes-sicko:
Also, does this mean you think Marx was a tankie?
No, Marx was not a tankie.
Those streets are awfully clean for people who got ran over by tanks…
Not sure which picture you're looking at.
First one
They're literally bikes. Jesus.