I've been job searching since April/May and literally have only heard back from 2 jobs, both were just general 'we went with someone else'. I never got any calls or anything and it's so demoralizing.
I literally am finishing a PhD (albeit not in a great field) but literally? not a single reply on anything?
any time I see these 'labor shortage' talking points I'm like fuck you.
I look for an entry level job daily and I see 'PhD' as a requirement. I literally can't even, I believe some (most) of these jobs are internal hiring.
It's somewhat true, I'd say it's important to apply for any job in the industry even if you're overqualified/on a grind. It opens up a ton of avenues to find something more comfortable.
I started out of school as working for a contractor on a terribly mismanaged project and it was hell. At the same time my boss was introducing me to this person from [megacorp] over a round of drinks who said "if you ever want a job that travels out to Hawaii on the regular let us know" and I ended up getting a rec to a later job from their cousin. I believe I was offered that one before it was even posted and the person who had the position before me had it for a decade or two.
You can do this comrade, but it might be another 12-18 months of throwing your dreams into the grinder of capitalism to have them crushed before theu start coming [partially] true. Being a socialist gives you a big time upper hand especially if you are a manager (bleh, but still) or work in a non-union position alongside organized labor.
This isn't in the field I studied and will not even remotely touch the field I studied. I thought the job offer was good at 29 per annum for 30h and now they've made it to 27 per annum for 40h and I'm not sure what to think. They have a probation period of 6 months and notice of 2 as well. I sent an email clarifying the situation as I understood it but I don't even know if accepting this shitty offer makes me dumb or not.
Yeah I was just looking at your other post about that. I interned at a company for a year that offered me exactly half of what a competitive offer would be. There's some context to it, but I was fortunate enough that I could walk away and love with my parents while continuing to work on projects at my university. Not sure if that's viable for you, but extracurricular projects make a great show-and-tell in job interviews, it got me at least one job, but interviewers always loved it in any case even if it was only loosely related to the position.
If your living situation is somewhat stable (parents or something), then taking up a project like that can be mildly fulfilling and useful to your CV/interviews.
Also (assuming you won't starve or live on the street) you can probably negotiate pretty aggressively if they're gonna dick you around like that. Even reply with a "this is unprofessional" undertone. Bougies are kinda wimps and cave more easily than you might expect. Might not happen here, but at least 30 hours gives you some room to job search, so I wouldn't take the increased hours in any case.
I'm feeling like I've been gaslighted, I swear I remember I applied for 30h, in the third interview they said they would like to offer me full time, I said yes, and we didn't talk salary because I thought we'd already established my basis. Why the fuck would I accept even less? And in any case the interviewer did not tell me that there would be a 6 month probation period and my pay is less for that time. Added to it going from 30h to 40h I feel like I should just say, I would like to do a probation period with them for 27k, final offer. Is this good answer on Monday when I show up?
If it were me, I'd be pushing for the 30 hours if that's recorded in a job description or email anywhere. Like I mentioned though, I was privileged enough that the money wasn't the foremost concern when I was starting out. I think that your suggestion is a good option as well (can't remember what you said their usual probationary wage is though)
I wrote an email asking if they could do that and they said that their needs have change since posting it (even though it's still on their website) and best of luck on my future career. Guess I'm back to looking. FML.
that's what I figure too. like sometimes the requirements are soooo specific, I'm like, there's no way this is a general hire, they already have a person in mind.
Nonono you see, labor doesn't exist unless it's cheap enough. People who want wages high enough to pay their bills and buy groceries without constantly living on the verge of financial ruin aren't part of the labor market, they're ungrateful scum who don't worship their "job provider" god-kings enough.
I am so, so sorry. Having left my somewhat stable, but otherwise underpaid and generally self-harm-inducing workplace in May, still jobless and searching, I can sympathize.
I graduated in January last year, then I graduated second degree and then to this shitty pandemic. I have asked so many people how to improve my CV, how to write a motivation letter etc. I have tailor motivation letters to jobs, CVs to jobs etc. At this point I'm wondering why I turned down a job as a babysitter earlier in August, at least they didn't dick me around with the salary.
In Australia a cover letter is a one page "hello i am good person with skills specific to job and want job, gib job plz" and a CV and resume are essentially interchangeable
IME a cover letter is usually more specific to the place you're applying to
Yeeep, I know that feel. I've been trying to shift into a carrer change; even if I could, chances are I would voluntarily have to take an entry-level job pay cut, financially ruining me. I can barely afford to live as I am now.
In addition to lying you should also inflate whatever qualifications and experience you actually do have. If for instance you worked somewhere from December 2020 to January 2021 you write: 2020-2021 Worked at SomePlace.
If you forge them at least make a realistic forgery.
I once heard about a woman who went to law school and failed her administrative law exam because she sucked at administrative law. She then decided to forge her transcripts and while she were at it she thought she might as well give herself top grades in administrative law. That fake grade landed her a job at the prestigious law firm the state uses for its lawyering needs. They soon started to wonder why their new employee sucked so badly as administrative law, despite having top grades. They checked with the law school and she were found out.
The moral of the story is that you should make believable forgeries. Had she given herself average grades she would still have been a lawyer.
I wish I could be a coldblooded liar but I am so bad at it.
Don't lose hope. The job market is essentially a lottery where jobs go to whoever happens to know the right people or be in the right place at the right time.
Yes, networking helps. Yes, unpaid volunteer work in your field helps. Yes, a good application and a good resume helps. But at the end of the day it is mostly a game of chance.
The most important thing, which is hard to do in a society built on capitalist ideology, is not to let your lack of employment get to you. Your job is not your personality and not having a job does not make you an inferior or morally deficient person, no matter how much liberals try to convince you otherwise.
Its bad for a lot of people rn. They also squeeze you to do more work per hour if youre a wage worker and dont have enough coworkers on shift. Capitalists trying to juice blood from stones
I think the part I'm mad about is that they agreed to a higher salary at 30h then to ask in the third interview if I could do more hours then had HR go LOWER on the salary but HIGHER on the hours. What the absolute fuck.
Yeah, thats fucked up, you are being exploited. The consolidation prize is that we know Marx is right about surplus value. I hope you have better luck if you keep hunting!
I sent a passive aggressive email back, if it's any consolation. I can't believe I was stupid enough to not clarify that 40h increase would mean a wage increase as well?? I thought it was implied! Fuck me I guess.
Hell yeah, be less passive and more aggressive! What are they gonna do, fire you?? Seriously, you might have some power cuz workers are in high demand.
I haven't signed the contract yet. I'm just fuming because second interview I assumed I would get, say, 17 an hour and now it's 13 an hour and even MORE hours. And it's not even in the field I studied for. I worked so hard for four years, doing the work of two degrees, and to get this shitty response? I'm so upset I can't send them a "Fuck off" letter.
It may be worth it to walk away. It's reasonable to feel like you have to take anything at this point, but if it's not going to meaningfully improve your financial situation, then maybe you shouldn't.
You could tell them to fuck off, just decide if you want to with a clear head. You have all the power rn if you didnt sign yet. Do what makes you happy, as long as you can afford to eat!
You may have dodged a bullet. If that place was willing to fuck around with you before you're even employed, imagine what they would have in store for you after. Props to you for challenging their new proposal, I remember when I was job searching out of college, so much re-entering what was on my resume and all that bullshit all for them to either never contact me again in most cases or to have some BS interview process that my socially inept ass fumbled through and failed. The first offer I got was the one I took with no counter-offers, even though I knew I would wind up doing more work then a junior dev should do for even less than the average entry level salary! How whipped has capitalism made me ... :kitty-cri-potato:
Thanks, I suppose I need that 'hey you did a right thing' right now. I just feel so upset it's been 9 months of shit all, and the worst bit is, I can LITERALLY get higher rates as a babysitter than what they were paying me. Of course a babysitter is not a full time job but ffs. And I'm still mad that I met their CEO and she had the gall to tell me my job was important.
we had a call out (I teach) and my supervisor called me a half hour before class starts and tells me that I just have to teach both classes at the same time. I straight up was like 'these are two very different, already too large, classes. I'm just going to show videos because I have no time to plan anything' and thankfully she was just like 'yeah do whatever'. but it's so frustrating that they already underpay us and overwork us and then pull this shit. she was like 'i'll get you a Dunks gift card' and I'm like "JUST FUCKING PAY ME FOR MY LABOR!". Jesus, is it that hard? They bitch about not finding substitutes, but if they were like 'hey here is 30 bucks an hour' I am sure people would love to sub or teach for them...
I wish I could sub, but I dont have the qualifications, some bullshit nonsense. I cant pass a drug test for pot. I can show up to work not stoned or reeking, but somehow that still makes me less employable than the men who talk me history.... :amerikkka:
trading two weeks of sobriety for a job as a sub is not what im looking to do though. I would do that if I qualified for a full time job tho
It was like this in 2008-2010 too. I had a great degree in an in-demand field, so I'd hear back from most jobs, but they'd give me a bullshit take-home interview, take a week after I turned it in to say anything, come up with another interview task, take two weeks to get back to me, come up with some other task, take a month to get back. It did just quietly get better after a while.
It doesn't get better, really. It'll be just as shitty as it is now, but you'll be older, and therefore less willing to deal with this type of bullshit
I'm not sure if it gets better but you can browse r/antiwork every day (like I do) to keep you from going insane. It went from like 13k to 475k subscribers in just two and a half years so you can watch workers radicalize in real time. :che-poggers: :lenin-pogger:
Right out of college with a Bachelor's in chemistry and the average I was being offered in my area was $14/hr. First job I got that wasn't shit was temp only and I only found it because my pops that does handyman type contract work asked some lab guys he was doing renovations for if they needed someone. First job I got that led to something more that pure temp was 9mo contract to hire working 12.5 hour shifts Friday-Sunday from 2pm to 3am. Jumped a few more jobs over the next 5 years trying for better and better. Now I work at home doing a job not even related to my degree making more than anything else I had before. The guy that I work with doesn't even have a degree. lol. Spent 5 years in college and 5 more working up through the shit to be making the same as a guy with no schooling and half my experience. Not that I hold that against him. He's a good dude and I worked with him at a previous job. Just a stance of him being unbelievably lucky and me just not so much.
Guess what I'm saying is stick in there. Shit sucks hard but not trying is a guarantee you won't get that chance. I use my higher pay now to help some of my buddies out. Saved a friend on some late payments and bought him some groceries a few times. He managed to get in an apprenticeship doing electrical stuff and is slowing starting to dig his way out of the shit.
Just finished an 8 month stint on the dole, spent the first 6 of that firing off resumes and receiving exactly 0 callbacks. Finally got a job on the back of a recommendation from a buddy at an office who were in need of someone and weren't advertising yet. The time from sending in my resume to sitting at a desk shitposting on Hexbear was about two weeks, and it was powered entirely by nepotism: the interview was essentially a formality since my buddy already did most of the selling.
So I guess my advice for anyone is network the hell out of whatever job you want. It's harder these days since the last thing people want to do is hop on another zoom call with some random, but people like talking about themselves and like free coffee. If you're engaged and interesting, will remember you if they know if anything comes up or if they think of anybody else worth talking to. Literally every real job I've had was on the back of just having a chat with someone senior who's opinion matters and leaving them with the impression that I'm competent.
This is bad advice. "Just be gregarious," what the fuck. It doesn't get better. But people spend so much time glazing over at screens that you can't depend on your CV to give you any traction anymore - you're just a name on the page - so you have to find new and exciting ways to lie about yourself for money.
I would be 'just gregarious' but the COVID 19 had made it so that I never even saw the profs that would have recced me in person and they don't check emails or phones or whatever ancient device they use. I guess I should try contacting my internship place, to see if they are hiring, but you see I also have an added problem of passport issues and work visas. They don't want to hire anyone who they need to make a work visa for.
As I mentioned in a megathread I literally just walked into a job because no one wants to work for care homes right now.
Sometimes there's jobs. Sometimes there ain't.
It's hard to say if it'll "get better" cos it really depends what sector you're in.
i was a highly qualified job candidate and was applying for jobs i was mostly over-qualified for, but because i had little experience in that field (but lots in another), i could barely get my foot in the door anywhere for a year. eventually something worked out and i've been content with where i'm at. the application process is absolutely soul draining, interviews can be extremely stressful, and you feel bad about yourself the whole time. i wish you luck; many good people have been where you are - it isn't a reflection on yourself, it's a reflection on the system.
I am at the point now where I think I will just phone my prof and just literally start having a mental breakdown if that's what it takes for him to help me somehow. I know I can do things and it's literally killing me to get rejected to something like 'dishwasher' 'kitchen help' etc.
It does... when you have more work experience. How do you get more work experience. Well...
Not sure where you are at. But if being jobless will cause issue with your visa then maybe start working at that place(after clarifying about the pay and hours) and search for another job at the same time. As a general rule, I have noticed that you will get more responses back if you're in a job then when you're not.
I clarified the job hours, they then decided not to hire me. Regarding the visa, it's EU related, so if I were to work within the EU I am restricted to the country I am currently in and not other countries that are searching for workers in the same field. Also, regarding language, I studied in English, which is why my application is very limited, as my working knowledge of the language of the country I'm in is basic not, say, business.
