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    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Even though they come at it from the wrong principles, a lot of libertarians are pretty good on stopping imperialism. They don't care so much about oppression of other humans, just that tax dollars shouldn't be used for a military other than one that can just stick to defending national borders. Whatever, result is the same, it's the one good thing they're useful for.

  • Dinkdink [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Why the hell are we funding a defense system for a foreign country?

    We can't even claim this is welfare for the war machine. Israel makes this themselves. Can we declare independence again?

  • Vncredleader
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    3 years ago

    Its going to pass anyways and she couldn't even be one of the 10 voting against? Real bravery there, I am sure the dead children will thank you for performing for a bit and then acquiescing to their killers for optics

    • Galli [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      She is trying to have it both ways by avoiding "aoc voted no on irondome" attacks from dems but crying to assuage her more "left" base

      • buh [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        I’m playing both sides, so that I always come out on top

      • Vncredleader
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        3 years ago

        The dems will never except her, and the left that does give a fuck about Palestinians beyond performance will crucify her for this shit. But yeah I guess she knows it will work out, the "left" will defend her and say she can have some dead Palestinians as a treat. And the dems will keep her around cause they know she will toe their line always on the hope of some bone thrown from the leadership that never comes.

        • star_wraith [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          But of what use is keeping the seat if you aren’t going to do anything while you are in it?

          They think being there to vote against hypothetically worse stuff from the GOP is "doing something".

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      3 years ago

      honestly. they're still going to hate her for this. they're still going to treat her like an outsider. she has to establish a willingness to step out of line now or her whole career is gonna be this kind of shit.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        She can have a lucrative lifelong career as a performative progressive doing exactly this kind of shit over and over again. She'll be useful to the bourgeoisie as a lightning rod for proletarian discontent, defusing attempts of socialist organising by bringing them into the democrat party to die.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    3 years ago

    I just never wanna hear about her again at this point, jesus christ what a fucking circus everything is with her.

  • OutrageousHairdo [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Loser! You're a loser!
    Are you feeling sorry for yourself?
    Well you should be, because you are DIRT!
    You make me sick, you big baby!
    Baby want a bottle? A big dirt bottle?!

    -Me, to AOC (Also from KotH)

  • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    In my AOC-fantasy mind-palace she's crying because she got a call threatening her family with bodily harm if she voted "No."

      • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        There's that narrative that every new President is shown classified info and the Alphabet Agency threatens them - this was converted into an "excuse for inaction" in Obama's case: I have heard people use this as an explanation as to why Obama was a neolib ghoul.

        EDIT: As in "he couldn't dismatle the Bush II Admin's security state because they would have killed him." Honestly, it rings true, but Obama's poser Goth-Girl thristy-ness says otherwise (revealed in his biography). As in, he's always been an opportunist/realpolitik brain.

        • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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          3 years ago

          This might sound like tinfoil hat stuff but based on what I’ve read it seems like his mother may have been a CIA agent in Indonesia. If you dig into this a bit, you find some interesting info, like the fact that Obama’s mother worked for Tim Geithner’s father in the early 1980s under the Ford Foundation. If this is true, it means Obama was basically raised in the national security state.

          • SerLava [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            A CIA agent in Indonesia assisting with the Indonesian Genocide

            • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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              edit-2
              3 years ago

              Yep.

              EDIT: The Jakarta Method - everybody check it out.

          • MerryChristmas [any]
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            3 years ago

            I know I sound like a loon every single time, but I tell everyone I can about this. It's so weird how rarely it's discussed.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          EDIT: As in “he couldn’t dismatle the Bush II Admin’s security state because they would have killed him.”

          If anyone ever got in that actually wanted to do this it would be a person willing to die to try to make it happen.

          • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            In my AOC-Fantasy I have imagined that Obama was simultaneously too valuable to assassinate and too ineffectual to fight it.

          • raven [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Would they be able to set up some sort of dead man switch that releases tons of damming info to every news org as protection?

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Honestly, if ostensibly voting against your principles leads you to crying as you vote, idk maybe you should just go with your principles and deal with any blowback later?

    AOC can have that House seat for life and there's nothing the DNC can do about it. She's a celeb now. Even if she did lose it, she's set. She can make a killing on The View or something. I genuinely understand feeling like you have to play ball with the party if for no reason other than they can make your time in Congress miserable. But jfc her foreign policy takes and votes especially are just so bad.

    For years I've critically supported her, maybe I still do to an extent but it's getting harder every day.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      AOC can have that House seat for life and there’s nothing the DNC can do about it.

      They'll spend ten million an election primarying her, while stripping her of every useful aspect of holding a House seat. The New York leg gerrymander her district to shreds. Media will run smear campaigns night and day for years. Eventually, they make her so miserable that she either quits or fucks up and loses.

      For years I’ve critically supported her, maybe I still do to an extent but it’s getting harder every day.

      I think its easy to pretend "I'd be doing better". But look at our boy in Virginia, Lee Carter. Just about as good on every issue you could ask for... and they ground him down and out inside four years.

      It's an ugly fight, even at the top.

  • OllieMendes [he/him,any]
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    3 years ago

    Sucks like any other politician, I don't know why anyone gives her special attention good or bad.