Which also means a bunch of praxis wars with Asian countries.

  • cokedupchavez [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    edited. doing a whole rundown to have it saved. reminder that this is really all about china ending australian/NZland neocolonial chokehold in the pacific. seriously i looked up like all the entities in the region, and almost all of them have some sort of neocolonial ties with them, even big guys like papua. asymmetric influence, military pacts, military installations and bases, migrant torture camps.. then there's the three subjected to american military sovereignty. recently some of them, solomon island, vanuatu and tonga managed to play off chinese commercial interests. australia got mad and tried to win them back, and in the case of vanuatu, constructed a narrative about debt traps. "free association" military suzerainty in:

    us: palau, micronesia, marshals

    australia: nauru, papua (not a free associations like the rest but peppered with installations)

    nz: samoa. have previously freely moved troops to tonga, which used to be economically glued to aus and nz, bot now have shifted to china.

    both aus and nz: kiribati, which switched from taiwan to china in 2019. they also control several remote islands each. and fiji is economically glued to them. solomon island have not long ago been overrun by troops from both, but switched from taiwan to china in 2019 so things are moving there.

    tuvalu is purely western-oriented, recognizes taiwan. vanuatu on the other hand is staunchly anti-imperialist. one time a gov did a backroom deal to switch to being pro-taiwan, and the cabinet was immediately toppled. china is the main guy there.

    taiwan recognition is an excellent tell of neocolonialism, as only some weak central american, caribbean and pacific states do it. include: tuvalu, nauru, marshall island, palau. thats 2 down from 2019.

    also worth mentioning remote territories boosting the eez's of the western powers. australia have several islands (including christmas island which is inhabitated by chinese ppl, im just mentioning that to underscore the irony of the conflict in the south china sea, not only is the entire coastal edges filled with chinese diaspora, they live on islands west of java too!) on the indian side of the java gap. which along with the andaman gap thats militarized by india can close off the sea trade almost completely. the NZ EEZ is much bigger, and amounts to an entire control of the far or south pacific. NZ also successfully pushed the UN to recognize an extended continental shelf which ballooned their EEZ even bigger. australia seems to be doing the same, which will (or already does) mean this monstrosity

    it also looks like there is bigger EEZ politics playing out with these pacific proxies, in which fiji, vanuatu, solomon islands and tongo are trying to acquire extended shelves. if new UN conventions on extended continental shelfs starts to form, the implications for the imperialist game could be enormous... so the de facto world map looks somewhere between this and this.

    • culdrought [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Australia simply lacks the microclimate required to produce good wine

  • blobjim [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    comments are turned off :disgost: :its-afraid:

  • ButtBidet [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    There's actually a lot of Chinese acquaintances in my life, and I want to be like "OMG I'm so sorry for all the Western bullshit" but we're not tight and that would be weird.

    • panopticon [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Can't speak for anyone else really, but as a Chinese diaspora in America trying to push back against this horrendous new cold war campaign, I would appreciate the rhetorical support

  • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I hear a lot of talk about how the Chinese economy is still heavily linked to the Occidental economy. Is it trve and if it is, why the fvck would they go to war with China if it would absolutely annihilate the United States economy

    of course in the long run China is going to smash American hegemony to bits but it's weird that all of sudden they start thinking in terms of long term implications

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Simply don't believe them. The propaganda for war is just about creating fear and posturing by the US trying to make it as if their vassals are a relevant military coalition that could actualy go to war. It is a perpetual bluff and in this case it will keep working.

      The reality though is that a war with China will never happen because Japan is just as dependent on China's economy as the US and China/DPRK have nukes while Japan doesn't. You'll never be able to justify an offensive war against nuclear armed countries.

      South Korea is just playing Russian roulette too, joining a war against China means probably a war with NK and hundreds of NK artillary pieces currently aimed at them.

      Australia keeps posturing but it is merely an annoying barking poodle you'll feel sorry for kicking when the time comes. Fucking submarines 25 years from now when China will have dozens of nuclear carriers and cruise missiles to defend itself...

      The US military industrial complex wants to continue to justify their spending therefore now they need to find a place to dump billions, remember the F-35 was in part pitched as a "necessary" replacement to allow the US to fight the "new war on terror".

      Without the war on terror they need a new boogey man and there is nothing better than cold war 2.0. You are right it would destroy the already fragile US economy as well so before there is even a possibility for war there must be a clear and decisive consensus among the capitalist class and that consensus does not exist.

        • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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          3 years ago

          they are good at them in the only way that matters: shoveling obscene amounts of money into the pockets of defense contractors

          who gives a shit about anything else

      • bananon [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The only two industries America still has is the military and marvel movies

  • GothWhitlam [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Hell yeah, baby. Fucking can't wait to be liberated by President Xi

  • Vncredleader [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Genocidal as it is, I feel bad for New Zealand being the chill sibling and just watching the aussies threaten world war

  • JuneFall [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Pretty big piece of propaganda. Seems it isn't investigative anymore, but amplifying Pentagon points.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Jesus so this isn't just some rando on YouTube, this is 60 Minutes?!

      • chlooooooooooooo [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        australian media seems to be like, 200% more frothing-at-the-mouth about china than any other angloid propaganda. which is honestly an achievement bc i would have thought it's impossible to get more deranged and buttmad than the rest of western media is about china.

  • richietozier4 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    the idea that China would never invade, I wouldn’t count on that

    How many countries has China invaded since 1979? 0

  • NotARobot [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    It's funny how they start to grapple with being basically an American client state in this scenario lmao.