Stolen:

Imperial core is where the citizens don't know empires exist beyond movies.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Yep, and the (mostly human) Core goes Empire, while the (mostly alien, save settler-colonies like Naboo) rim is the centre of resistance.

        Even before, the Republic tacitly supports right-wing regimes like the Hutts to aid extraction on the rim.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Internet anti-communism is just anti-intellectualism from dumbasses who just actively refuse to learn anything that they've been told to instinctively reject by their favorite political e-celebs.

  • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I think maybe "the Imperial Core" is core China? I'm legitimately baffled by China defenders.

    How the fuck do you not pick up from context clues that Communists don't like the imperial core. They're basically admitting to either not having reading comprehension skills or deliberately ignoring what the people they are mad at are actually saying.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      They literally call themselves 中国, The Middle Kingdom! It's RIGHT. THERE. IN. THE. NAME!

      WAKE UP SHEEPLE

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      No, no, they are doing what the cool kids call "a jab" against muh imperialist Chyna

  • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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    3 years ago

    Bragging about how much of a massive dumbass manchild I am to own the tankies

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    When people don't understand the difference between "empire" and "imperialist".

    Imperialism always occurs in an empire.

    Empires however are not all imperialist.

    Whether or not they want to argue about the empire-status of China, it is not imperialist. People need to learn what imperialism is.

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I'm guessing the "imperialism" you mean is the extraction of resources and opening of markets, whereas Empire just means consolidated power over a diverse set of peoples or even systems?

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Imperialism was very clearly defined by Lenin in "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism". It is a form of state that is essentially "state capitalist" where the state has become both a capitalist and is subservient to the big capitalists (in his examples, GE, Ford, Deutsch Bank, etc. Nothing's changed, it's all still the same).

        The reality of this form of imperialism is extractive colonialism (massive investment in colonial territories with no benefit to the local people's and for the sole purpose of extraction, e.g. fuckloads of trains that go straight from mines to the coast). The imperialist nation often enters into agreements with other imperial nations (France, Britain, America, Germany, Russia, Spain, and Denmark were all competing imperial powers with Russia being one of the weakest at the time).

        Revisionists and opportunists see these imperial agreements and pacts as a good thing and a positive for socialism, but Lenin saw that they were actually a harbinger of war. Which was a theory proved correct by the outbreak of WW1/the first imperial war.

        After WW1 and WW2, the imperial nations of the world have transitioned to a new stage of imperialism, aka neo-colonoalism which instead of relying on the state capitalist (or, state as capitalist) to enforce through occupation and war, is done through an unfettered global financial system that is given power over the imperial nations and republics.

        This is somewhat of an illusion though, as the violent imperialism of the pre-war era is still in place exactly as it was, but is now given a new face through the concept of public debt and extraction from the global south is framed as a "paying back of a debt" that never existed in the first place.

          • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            You should also read Imperialism, it's not too long and honestly pretty easy to grasp. Mainly because it's just really obvious in hindsight. All the things he described as inevitabilities of the imperialist projects of the 20th century have come to pass and he's essentially describing the world we live in today and how it came about.

            • newmou [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Totally, I actually have it on my bookshelf. Bought that and what is to be done after I read state and revolution. More and more books just got in front of it over time lol but you’re right I do need to read it. Are you reading anything right now?

              • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                I'm about halfway through Jakarta Method. It's rough, I've had to take week long breaks here and there.

                Read the canon when I was isolating last year and time of pamphlets. Also most of Parenti's stuff, but that's like a treat. I can finish a Parenti book in a day, he's just such an engaging writer.

                • newmou [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  Ah nice I just bought the Jakarta Method! Was thinking of jumping into that after Capitalist Realism and October. I’ve only read Blackshirts and Reds from Parenti though, could you reco anything specific?

                  • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    Inventing Reality of course, To Kill a Nation is a good look at Yugoslavia and NATO's true face. He also has a short book called The Terrorism Trap released like 3 months after 9/11 basically predicting all the shit that went wrong later and pointing out all the shit that was going on behind the scenes that was basically immediately silenced after the attacks.

                    All of his work is good though. I like using Parenti as a pallete cleanser between more dense books.

                    Also, read Julian Borchardt's Capital Abridged of you can find a copy (released in the US as Capital and other writings and compiled with some other of Marx's smaller works and Lenin pamphlets by Max Eastman)

                    • newmou [he/him]
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                      3 years ago

                      :sankara-salute: sounds like I’ve got some work to do, thanks comrade

        • theother2020 [comrade/them, she/her]
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          3 years ago

          I don’t know how anyone can disagree with this, per se. It is objectively true.

          That is why leftism erasure (denigration, etc) is so essential. If they engage us, they lose.

          • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Yep, the best part of Lenin's work is that he was restricted from using any non-official sources (eg. Tsarist propaganda and banking magazines were okay, but socialist political theory wasn't) so he had to formulate and prove all his theories using like Banking weekly and shit. He acknowledges this in the version of Imperialism released after the October revolution and even jokes about how certain names and countries make no sense because he had to get his work past the censors (I believe in Imperialism, he switched Russia and Japan?).

            The fact that he was still able to write one of the most convincing and poignant pieces of political theory in the 20th century under those conditions is wild.

      • bananon [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        No imperialism is what the le epic Sith did. China is the empire because Xi Jinping is a communist and communism is red so that means he’s fallen to the dark side.

        • Brak [they/them, e/em/eir]
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          3 years ago

          “china is an empire because it is big” has got to be one of my favorite big-brained shitlib ideas.

  • Hohsia [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Well when you google "imperial core", the first thing you get is star wars

    So first I would like to blame SEO

  • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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    3 years ago

    gee, I wonder why there;s a bunch of nations with similar economic conditions that all coordinate together against the rest of the world, and routinely invade militarily or economically coerce weaker nations for their own benefit. There must be some reason why movement of people and materials between these nations is so easy, while people from other nations will be shot or arrested for attempting to enter these nations.

    It's also not like star wars is just a description of the world in the most basic terms possible so anyone can get it. They speak "basic," serve the "empire, republic, rebellion, separatists, or resistance." The only one with a unique name is the first order, and everyone hates that. They shot things that blast called blasters and have swords made of light called light sabers. It's just physical or literal descriptions in every single name except for planets and people's names, and even then you get skywalker for a pilot and solo for a loner. So yeah it sounds like star wars, because it's a description of the core of an empire, like the core of the empire. "my psychologist started talking and it was like Percy Jackson! And then I went on a sailboat and everyone talked like Long John Silvers, it was absurd."

    • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      solo for a loner

      Extreme soy moment in Han (or Solo whatever the fuck uninspired name) when Random Imperial Immigration Guy #1 fills that in as Han's family name after he says "it's just me."

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        God that pissed me off so much. Not everything needs an explanation! It can just be his god damn name!

        Aside from that I liked that scene tho, I love seeing Star Wars stuff that just seems like people living their lives and imperial bureaucracy, idk why I just find it neat

        • Vncredleader [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I honestly am fine with it. It's not ideal, but fuck it if you had family who came to the US via Ellis island, chances are your last name has the same story. Or even that translator who's legal name in the us is "FNU" cause they forgot or didn't care enough and just copied the acronym for "first name unknown" from the generic document

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Honestly, there's the inkling of a kind of cultural moment here. Like, imagine this being the standard practice for any orphan child or family-less refugee. Star Wars could have a million "Solo"s bouncing around the Galaxy, with backstories ranging from Grave of Fireflies to Great Gadsby.

        It's a shame more authors didn't pick this up and run with it, or divine it before the Kasdans landed on it. Imagine a Star Wars series that took a harder look at Galactic Poverty and Diaspora communities, rather than making poverty a simple setting frame from the next laser sword fight.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        3 years ago

        all that movie is is soy moments, I hate it with every fibre of my being. I could not care less about everything they explain in the movie. the imperial mudhopper armor is also stupid, it doesn't make any sense.

        • bigbologna [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          I'm glad that Solo took the time to include a scene where Han declares out loud "Chewbacca? That's a long name, I don't want to say that every time. I will give you a nickname."

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I can't prove it's from there but this exchange has major r/VaushV energy

  • ShareThatBread [he/him, he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Here's the link because i'm the only non :LIB: here

    https://www.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/comments/pvy22e/lost_all_faith_in_the_mods_after_this/hedk8xi/?context=3

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I grew up in Indonesia, one of the countries included in the 'global south'.

      Of course, I clearly enjoyed being reminded that my birth country are still the same when the term came up and absolutely no progress has been made in it.

      Wonder why that might be? Must've been the damn tankies. :grillman:

        • HamManBad [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Even if the worst black book take on Stalin is true, the CIA matched that level of terror in Indonesia alone.

  • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    World-systems theory traces emerged in the 1970s.

    not even close to being a "new" concept. literally 50 years old. these people are fucking clowns. and not the cool joker-fied kind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-systems_theory

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-systems_theory#Core_states

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Force these nerds to read Foundation and Empire if they like sci-fi so much. Maybe that'll get it through their thick skulls.

      • newmou [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Is the Foundation trilogy worth reading? I’m guessing it’s critical of empire?

        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Highly critical of empire. It's basically what Star Wars is based on, but a bit more heady. Asimov was some form of socialist and the central plot of the book is basically about how Space Marx taught some scientists dialectics and helped them carry out a successful revolution against a collapsing galactic empire. The Foundation (the revolutionary group) is shown progressing through all the stages of development most modern nations have gone through (feudalism, mercantilism, capitalism, and eventually ending in some form of socialism).

          It's a really interesting presentation too, with the trilogy taking place over 1000 years and the focus being not on individuals so much as the masses of people driving historical inevitability. There's a lot of "great man" stuff, but I think he meant that to be more of a mirror of how we tell our history. In the end, the individual people in power at specific times don't matter and their presence in those seats of power during the crises was merely coincidental.

          • Des [she/her, they/them]
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            3 years ago

            Asmimov describes an Earth in I, Robot where AI basically centrally plan the global economy and achieve socialism without anybody realizing it has happened (it was that gradual).

            • Mardoniush [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              Who, it becomes clear, actually helped develop psychohistory in the first place (after disengaging from the majority of humanity.)

  • Ericthescruffy [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Lol. I guess he thinks 'colonizers' and 'alien invaders' are just old scifi stories also. How fucked is our education system that you can graduate highschool with such a shit reading level.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Half of U.S. adults can't read a book written at the 8th-grade level, according to the OECD. The average American reads at the 7th- to 8th-grade level, according to The Literacy Project.

      • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I legit can't believe this, this must be fake

        like I hate Burgeroids as much as anyone else but I can't fucking believe it, even though my experience of highschool does lend some credibility to this idea

        i mean like 8th grade books are BASIC

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          between 14% and 21% of American adults (1 in 7 to 1 in 5) are illiterate (depending on the study)

          • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            i have to wonder if almost everyone in this country is deeply stupid compared to functional countries

            like I grew up during the No Child Left Behind era and it feels like I'm permanently hobbled compared to people I meet who went to school in like, 50's-60's-70's

            all the Europeans I've met online just seem a bit sharper than most Bhürgers

            • ssjmarx [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              The best part is that, because private schools/public schools in rich counties can be decent, the political will to fix schools in general can't materialize!

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      There are two kinds of alien invaders:

      • Ugly extraterrestial life forms that want to eat / enslave us

      • Sexy extraterrestial life forms that want to eat / enslave us

    • Brak [they/them, e/em/eir]
      ·
      3 years ago

      here: https://www.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/comments/pvy22e/lost_all_faith_in_the_mods_after_this/hedk8xi/?context=3