What a shit show, and one of the committee members' replies is fucking hilarious
...On the Iron Dome, issue, I had a couple of discussions with Ilan Goldenberg when he visited the Cleveland City Club in 2019 and spoke to J Street here. He is a former Obama National Security Council staffer, now a Senior Fellow and Director, Middle East Security Program, Center for a New American Security. He confirmed what was my understanding: the missiles (much more than rockets these days) that Hezbollah and increasingly Hamas have at their disposal are becoming more and more advanced, and threaten civilian populations of Israel (Jew and non-Jew I might add).
"I talked to an american zionist closely involved with imperialism at the executive level and he confirmed the propaganda i believe"
Hmmm and the thought, "why don't Palestinians have an Iron Dome that we fund?" never crossed their imperialist little mind.
PS their platform claims they're anti-imperialist lol.
This motherfucker is a committee member? Tell me again how this is a socialist organization again?
Northstar are Harringtonites. They barely even pretend to be socialists.
Yeah, the last one from them I remember was this one which is almost as bad.
The weakness of the DSA is the fact that it doesn't really have any mechanisms for dealing with this.
liberals complaining about class reductionism
opinion ---> :dumpster-fire:
Class reductionism is when you give a shit about class at all
Clown shit. Flat out uses the IDF's "but the Iron Dome is defensive" argument.
I understand that working in electoral politics is going to require strategic acumen and a willingness to compromise (non-electoral politics also require these things). But that's not what Bowman and AOC did here. This statement is just caping for them.
Yeah it's not like this was some kind of performative bill or something either. This article makes it sound like the bill was some trap that was just a gotcha for any anti-Zionist politicians. That's like 0.001% of what it was. This bill pays, in one single bill, about two thirds of what we've given to them for the Iron Dome, ever. In the decade it has existed, we've given them around $1.56 billion. This gives another $1 billion.
Also:
The Caucus for Socialism and Democracy
Democracy is when you fuckin ventilate Palestinians, then ventilate them again for trying to defend themselves, then call the system which allows you to ventilate them worry-free "defensive".
In a proper party, these people would have been purged long ago.
Let this be the standard by which we judge the radicalization and discipline of the DSA: have they purged the pro-apartheid libs?
Anyone have any idea why the DSA IC is so much better? I'm surprised at how non-lib it is.
Its members lobby well and the NPC that appoints them is less lib than they appear.
Sure, but I was under the impression that most of DSA were filled to the brim with AOC types, left anticommunists and was a thoroughly liberal org.
DSA chapters vary a lot. There are a lot of communists / hardcore DemSocs in many chapters, enough that they're in the leadership positions and run the agendas.
I would wager that a lot of membership is baby leftists but the people motivated to do the leadership work tend to be better.
What do you mean by hardcore DemSocs? Like Bolivia DemSocs or like Bernie-style imperialist socdem?
The former. Actual anti-imperialists dedicated to abolition of the owner class using bourgeois democratic means (yeah I know I know).
The kinds of demsocs that do free firearms training course for workers.
Sure, but I was under the impression that most of DSA were filled to the brim with AOC types, left anticommunists and was a thoroughly liberal org.
Probably depends on the individual chapter, but from what I've seen it tends to be more actually leftist than it appears, though it is a "big tent" org, so you get all types.
Not at the institutional level - institutionally, it's been governed mainly by left-labourists, whatever you want to deem modern Sao Paulo Forum DemSocs, and post-Trots, with a handful of leftcoms for the last few years.
The good statement North Star is criticizing isn't even from the International Committee (IC) but from the National Political Committee (NPC).
I get that, but since the topic was on DSA, I just happened to remember that the IC did a no cold war session and was curious why the org was acting differently from what I previously perceived it to be.
The IC is about 500 DSA members, and the leadership is appointed by the NPC, so it mostly comes down to having a good NPC and a lot of DSA ppl who care about internationalism and anti imperialism to get involved. The convention elected an NPC and took up a platform and resolutions in line with the IC because most members support the IC.
DSA’s NPC
:xi-pog: Xi has finally pressed the button and infiltrated America by establishing a National People’s Congress
I'm curious, does the DSA have any real leverage in how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman vote in Congress?
No. Which makes this entire exchange comically pointless.
