• Nakoichi [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      We wouldn't if the US wasn't full of anti-vaxx brainworms.

      Don't tell me about what is or isn't about science while doing some underhanded anti-vaxx apologia.

        • Nakoichi [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          You're just distracting from the original point. People aren't striking because mandates. You're undermining the labor movement and deflecting from the real cause that is workplace safety and wages.

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            "Distracting?"

            People are striking because of conditions, which include bad governance & bad corporate policy... largely around how inconsistent the handling of the pandemic has been

            why are you separating out ultrapartisan reductionism here? both parties did horribly & New York City still has the worst death rates since the pandemic started

            • Nakoichi [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              I fucking work retail this is not partisan this is about safety.

                • Nakoichi [they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  You're using vague terms and moving the goal posts all over the place. The vaccine mandates are not why people are striking. FULL STOP.

                  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    people are definitely protesting over mandates globally, the labor disputes are largely to do with worsening conditions around changes implemented or policies inadequately implemented since the pandemic started

        • cilantrofellow [any]
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          3 years ago

          70% is only valid as a herd immunity target for diseases that do not reinfect and do not demonstrate an evolutionary rate capable of vaccine escape.

          I appreciate the nuance Wolff thinks he’s applying but it’s neither the time nor place.

          Edited as my 70% was vague.

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Yes it's both the time and the place

            ~70% is for 12+, for adults it's actually quite a bit higher

            For the most vulnerable populations the vaccine rate is 85%+

            • BeanBoy [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              70% rate for the country doesn’t mean everywhere in the country reached 70% which is why we’re getting variants that can break through vaccines

                • BeanBoy [she/her]
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                  3 years ago

                  Oklahoma has 50%. Wyoming has 48%. The country as a whole has 67% for one dose

      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Many people are protesting & striking & resigning against mandates

        Better covid protections & higher wages are part and parcel to the larger struggle against being pitted against customers by owners/managers

        • effervescent [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Many people are protesting & striking & resigning against mandates

          There have been dozens of stories about this and they’ve all been debunked as right-wing grift. There’s a lot of money in this narrative right now and you’re literally parroting what amounts to science denial propaganda

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/masonbissada/2021/11/01/2300-fdny-firefighters-call-in-sick-in-apparent-protest-of-vaccine-mandate/?sh=129a0f336b2f

            so you're saying 2,000 NY firefighters just called in for some other reason?

            • effervescent [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              I’m saying that the commissioner has every incentive to call what they’re doing a “strike” and is literally the only source saying so. If you put a bunch of workers on unpaid leave, a lot of them are going to burn their sick time. That’s not a strike. But a strike would be illegal and would let them recall the workers, which is the whole point.

              • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                yes, we can call labor action many names, but it's still labor action... within or outside of union strictures