I hate how AnPrim as an axiom equates Technology/Civilization with Capitalism and then goes: See?! Bad!! Like... Yea, Capitalist Technology and Civilization is inherently exploitative, but social cooperation is the most human thing ever and literally what made us have these big thinky sponges in the first place; why not use those to build better Technology and Civilization? AnPrim seems inherently defeatist in that way
Anprim sounds like a boomer strawman against hippies "oh so you want everyone to live in huts without technology growing vegetables"
Source: my boomer dad
Anticivs aren't against human cooperation, they are against civilization. That's like saying socialists are against people freely cooperating and exchanging things which is also a very human thing.
It is kinda defeatist but kinda in a same way socialism is. "Why do need bloody revolutions, revolutionary terror and radical change in society? Can't we just tinker with policy until we have good non-crony capitalism that provides prosperity for everyone while keeping all the liberal freedoms we've come to enjoy, like right to property..."
It's antidialectical and that's really all that needs to be said.
Remember before we had antibiotics and vaccines? Let's go back to those times! They were fun!
Not an anprim, but the argument made there is generally that disease wasn't a severe issue prior to the advent of fixed settlement; it simply didn't spread like it does today back when people were migratory hunter-gatherers and such.
There's flaws in that argument, such as young people still being very susceptible, or the point that hunter-gatherers at times were sedentary e.g. in wetlands where there was always enough to hunt and gather year-round. But I thought I'd just offer the context as to their actual point.
Or how many people would have to die to bring population density down to a level that makes a migratory hunter-gatherer lifestyle possible for everyone left.
It's not just about being sedentary though. Hunter-gatherer bands are literally too small to sustain a whole bunch of contagious diseases.
Do you have a link to an article on this wetlands thing? I can't seem to find it.
You have a point actually, didn't really think it through. I was just basing my stances off of reddit arguments I'd seen with anprims.
I heard about the wetlands thing in Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States though I never finished the book because my Kindle broke.
An-prim has always seemed to me like thinly veiled eco-fash, let the poor and weak die to save the environment while we jettison off all the infrastructure that allows us to support people who can't work? Hmmmm
Yes. I can't find the distinction. That's why you should all change to posadism, that's the thing.
Gotta say I'm pro anprim. Everyone should be at least 15% anprim. Not as an overriding ideology but some amount of dropping out and having a basic skill set is good.
Basic dialectics innit. If Capitalism is the thesis an-primitivism would be the antithesis. Otherwise you risk synthesising two forms of capitalism.
I know a couple "anprims" (they'd call themselves anti-civ but everyone else calls them anprims) who genuinely went and fucked off into the woods. I think one's working on supplying her own HRT through mare piss.
OK so they just want descentralized, small-scale, workers-owned, near-end-user, low carbonfootprint/whatever production, which sounds good at some extent.
Where I live, fucking milk is transported by trucks from the farm to the factories HUNDREDS of km away. Only for it to be pasteurized, put in bags and go back by truck to the same fucking little town next to the original farm. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
Anti-civ generally prefer that, whilst True Anprims generally want to be actual hunter-gatherers to make the distinction.
Not generally, no. Usually they consider it to be the "original sin" of technologies so to speak, the start of sedentary lifestyle and thus (in their eyes) the beginning of the accumulation of capital. There's debate on whether either of those things are true, but the prior likely isn't due to (as I cited elsewhere) sedentary hunter-gatherer lifestyles in wetlands. The latter has some more truth to it, but there's still plenty debate to be had.
Anti-civs vary more on agriculture, with most advocating a form of permaculture.
Ok so "anti-civs" are totally respectable average "hippies" and anprims just truly want to monke.
Anprim is when you turn back the industrial clock far enough for people to have blogs and Myspace again
Hey that's cool, we could warn Gaddafi and maybe even stop next month's climate collapse
