This is the lowest energy I think I've ever seen from you guys :michael-laugh:
My life got a whole lot better when I stopped being an angry macho kid
I can wear whatever colors I want, I can sing and dance and prance about and most importantly I can be sad and vulnerable and not beat myself up over it
Sure, I probably have too many stuffed animals now, but goddamn it, my dad didn't let me get a stuffed Jigglypuff when I was 6, I'm going to buy six hundred now
I have a ditto that transforms into a clefairy plush I found it at goodwill
It is one of my greatest skills as a warrior for love and peace
Accepting that it's ok to be a guy and love taylor swift was big for me tbh.
“Men should work through socialized toxic behavior”
Men:
:is-this:
“Is this misandry?”
Also based meme.
I can't count on two hands the people who get uncomfortable or question my cis straight husband when he mentions offhandedly that other men are attractive
the older I get the less our collective understanding of sexual orientation makes any sense to me. it's more of a spectrum than a list of hardlocked categories you roll the dice against when you are born. I for one have never felt any desire to be sexually or romantically involved with another man but damn if I can't stop ogling dudes from time to time. maybe we're all like 5% or 10% gay (and up) and that's alright.
Alfred Kinsey like "I told everyone this like seventy years ago, we're just horny as fuck apes"
Thus proving my point. But idk his story outside of telling a bunch of boomers that he interviewed them and they all admitted to being not very straight
I hear this take a lot but doesn't it justify a lot of homophobia? Would all of the many gay people who have faced terrible discrimination have gone through all that if they were actually 5 or 10% hetero and could have just chosen a heterosexual relationship?
Absolutely. The "being gay is a choice" line is doubly homophobic- once because it's often not a choice, and twice because even if it was, that doesn't mean it'd be wrong to make that choice. But, two things:
One, in practice there is oppression based on the idea that gay people can choose to be straight, like gay conversion camps, and it's harmful to validate the idea that they could work, even if you're clear that you don't agree with their aim.
And two, it imples that all the gay people who have suffered oppression have, to some extent, chosen that. And while that is true for some courageous or determined people, there are many for who it's not.
Eh not really. It’s more recognizing how many people are closer to being bisexual than probably realize it.
Yes that's fine. I just worry that "everyone is at least a little bisexual" or equivalent sentiments is thrown around a lot quite uncritically without any thought for what that means for gay people. What you're saying is fine, I just think people should be careful with their wording here.
(To be fair, camarade actually said at least 5% gay specifically, rather than straight, but it's often phrased to imply nobody's completely straight or gay)
Yeah, bisexual people have to fight for recognition in both straight and queer spaces, which I think can cause us to generalize sometimes.
Imagine wanting to put half of the world down instead of bringing them up to equality. It's damn stupid is what it is.
Right? Thinking that acknowledging other people’s struggles means yours don’t exist is peak brainworms.
TFW your girlfriend attacks you for not being sufficiently enraged that you got cut off by another driver or let someone cut in line.... Why must I be expected to throw a shit fit at every perceived slight? :deeper-sadness:
Trying to educationally shitpost about feminism and someone walked right on into a dunking sesh.
GrandPoobah Join Date: Nov 16, 2021 Joined 10m
Why make a new account for this?
I love coming to threads like this after the struggle sesh and seeing so many :ban-hammer:
Always surprised when someone with a year old account manages to get themselves banned. That’s more than enough time to figure out you can’t act like a :reddit-logo:er here.
"All men are pathetic subhuman incels like me so if a man says something positive about anything a woman has touched, this means he wants to fuck her."
The kelly emote and its consequences have been a great positive in the history of hexbear.
The reports for this post are a mixture of accurate and malding.
Spoiler: The feminists are the accurate ones.
Lmao I thought this would be a totally uncontroversial post. Then I saw the number of comments.
I think just like Veganism, I’m will not longer post anything with in post with the words Patriarchy or toxic masculinity.
Also, I look forward to the 10 page reply to this comment.
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
Vegan and feminist, the scariest type of “debate bro”.
:vegan-edge: :solidarity: :feminism:
you can interact with some vegans with the best of intentions and a world view that's 99% compatible with theirs and be treated exactly as if you were a reactionary hog because you think putting horses in movies isn't a big deal or something. I imagine some feminists are the same although I have not met any such people myself, online or otherwise.
honestly I think /u/hopelesscomrade's cocerns are 100% normal, and they haven't said anything problematic in the slightest. I think implying otherwise is total bad faith. with that said they chose the time and place to share them extremely poorly.
If I wanted to not be dunked on by feminists, I would simply not post misogynistic things.
the ways some feminists fail to include men in their version of liberation
For what it’s worth, this type of feminist is largely a boogey(wo)man and only found in TERF circles.
Wreckers are one thing, but longtime users could probably be given a more understanding explanation, even on touchy topics, without sliding into the realm of allowing misogyny/etc.
The info is all here on the site. Women shouldn’t have to explain why they deserve rights to anyone, especially when that person leads with defensiveness.
I don’t think you’re implying that or anything, I’m just reiterating that men often feel an entitlement to women’s time.
I’m intentionally trying not to respond to the person you’re replying to because I don’t think it will do any good and I’d rather talk about the actual subject.
You seem to be confused about why comrade @Edelgard is angry at you so i will explain.
Your comment implied that you disagree in some way with this meme, since you expect to receive pushback upon voicing these opinions like it had happened in the past.
Additionally you had voiced your disagreement in a cowardly way, instead of stating it outright, and risking being wrong, you had merely implied it thus maintaining plausible deniability.
Additionally additionally you preemptively dismissed any pushback to your disagreement, thus demonstrating your unwillingness to be proven wrong and learn.Thank you for explaining that to them. I wasn’t about to get into a “show me where I said that” argument lol
Wat?
I understood the comment to mean they're tired of posting about veganism (and feminism) and getting swamped with debate bro replies, so they're self-censoring to avoid all this shit. Which is an incredibly common thing on the Internet.
I may be crazy and broken, but I did commit the greatest sin on the internet, which is refusing to post.
actually, posting about your refusal to post is probably the real crime here
Well after everyone showed me how misogynist I was after posting posting poop balls and telling me I'm mysogonic for not wanting to engage with them.
I never defend myself, because their is no point, so I won't.
This is your only good post in this thread, so thanks for that. No further contributions are necessary. See you in the mega
It's the same shit and not worth talking about with these people. They'd rather blame men than capitalists. We're easier to hurt.
Men apparently really don’t like being told that many of them have work to do.
I really don't get that. Isn't someone pointing or critiquing a flaw in ones character which has a negative impact on others a good thing? Like wouldn't that be something you as a person would want to correct?
Okay everyone needs to work on themselves but if you don't understand how those exact three sentences you just used would be absolutely condescending and infuriating to most people you should get someone else to handle the conversations about peoples' flaws. I got instinctively angry just reading it.
There is a certain inherent level of condescension in the assumption that working on your flaws or even acknowledging them in a serious way is so easy. Especially for people actively trying to work on them.
Like imagine walking up to a fat person, saying "Hey, you're fat. You should eat less to work on that.", and then following it up with a "why are you so angry? I work on my problems all the time!"
Most people in most places are aware of their problems in some sense. Hypermasculine macho guys too, they're constantly insecure. But the absofuckinglutely worst way to start a conversation with the aim of helping them change things is to just point out what's wrong, because it's inherently an issue they're sensitive about.
Good thing the patriarchy isn’t about them individually then
:vivian-shrug:
But no one walked up to you or did any equivalent thing. Nothing was directed at you. If I were talking to you one on one, I would introduce the idea and ask you about your experiences. But the expectation in a group setting like this is that people can state their own experiences and engage with the responses if they want. No one needs to be sensitive to any individual man’s insecurities here.
Like I have anger management issues. If someone comes up to me knowing this and goads me into getting pissed at them, I’m not gonna regret punching them in the face. Sure, the post-anger cooldown feels like shit, but I would have no problem telling that person they deserved it and can fuck off. But if I’m in a room where people are venting about their ex partners who had rage problems, taking that personally and remaining there until I got pissed would be my own failure. If I did take it personally, I would need to acknowledge that as an irrational thought and excuse myself if my coping techniques didn’t work.
This applies to people who haven’t begun that process as well. If a man has insecurity issues that he hasn’t started to deal with yet, him getting pissed at the mention of male insecurity is valid, but it is not healthy or good and does not justify toxic behavior as a result of those feelings. To say otherwise is to imply that all feelings and insecurities ought to be catered to and centered by others, which is the recipe for abuse.
I know plenty of people who would react that way, but nowhere near most of them. I think I would have gotten defensive when I was younger, though.
Oh, Fred Flintstone had another nazi coping session in the comments too.
look, i know cumposting might not be appropriate in the comments of a feminist meme post
but i'm gonna cumpost at all the banned nerds lmao
