This is in response to some chudges ruling against it in the 69th court of peepeepoopoo
Get your shots folks
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:seen-this-one: lol
Media stop putting pictures of needles in every story about vaccines challenge (Very Hard)
Since last spring there has been so much that my trypanophobia is basically gone. Like i still get scared when i see it but i shrug it off. that's every second picture on every news site.
I swear to god, I can't even scroll anywhere anymore without being at at least a 7/10 on the fear and anxiety scale. It fucking sucks!
Is there a word for that if your fear is specifically like IV needle related. Needle goes in my arm? Cool and good. Need to get an IV put in or blood drawn? Freaking out.
:geordi-yes: Medicine stuff going in
:geordi-no: My stuff going out
From the second article:
The intrigue: Holiday gatherings and wintertime have been on the Biden administration's mind for months, and factored into the White House's initial plan to make boosters widely available in September, one senior Biden administration official said.
"We knew we wanted to be ahead of this. Why do you think we were pushing?" the official said.
But the FDA and the CDC initially authorized boosters only for smaller, high-risk groups, arguing there wasn't enough data to support broader eligibility. They're expected to begin opening the shots up to all adults as early as today, but only so many people can get their shots in less than a week.
Lol nice one CDC. Almost as good as when they told us not to wear masks.
I knew as soon as I saw competent governments authorizing boosters that the US was shitting the bed again. Glad I decided to stretch the cdc guidelines to their maximum for booster eligibility for myself and my wife weeks ago. Hopefully folks can get shots easily when availability inevitably opens up for everyone. Of course now we have to fight against the initial guidance of “not everybody needs a booster”
Master class in incompetence
The CDC has been amazingly and incompetently slow and hesitant this last year, it’s fucking absurd.
STOP COMPARING POSSIBLE VACCINE RISKS TO NOTHING, AND COMPARE THEM TO THE RISKS OF COVID GOD DAMNIT.
I would’ve taken the first god damn shot off the assembly line, completely untested, because I knew the logic behind it and the odds it would work and the odds it would fuck something up. And hands down I would’ve been better off taking that shot than waiting.
Same goes for waiting so god damn long to approve it for children. There was no evidence at all that the vaccine would be harmful to children. There was no logical reason based on how we know they work to believe it would bd harmful to children. We KNOW that covid can be VERY harmful to children. Lots of children were getting covid. WHY DID YOU TAKE SO LONG.
This isn’t the “precautionary principle” or whatever the fuck, it’s just incorrectly assessing risks. Which should literally be the CDCs job.
This isn’t the “precautionary principle” or whatever the fuck, it’s just incorrectly assessing risks. Which should literally be the CDCs job.
Very much not--in fact, it's pretty strongly counter to the precautionary principle, at least under any reasonable formulation of the PP. There are lots of different ways of formulating it, but so-called "strong" PP formulations are pretty much universally accepted as being self-undermining and resulting in no effective action ever. Something like a prohibitory approach (e.g., a formulation like "activities that present an uncertain potential for significant harm should be prohibited unless the proponent of the activity shows that it presents no appreciable risk of harm") are insane and unworkable: following something like that, we'd basically never do anything at all, as it's pretty much impossible to show that any new technology or policy presents "no appreciable risk of harm." Weak PP formulations are much more tenable, and basically flip the logic of the principle around. They emphasize that a lack of perfect information about risks shouldn't preclude action, especially if that action is to prevent a known (or very strongly suspected) catastrophic outcome. That sort of logic applies equally well to COVID vaccines as to climate change.
A reasonable formulation of the PP looks like this. We should make the precautionary choice to avoid potentially hazardous activities when three conditions are met: (1) we have a reasonably clear understanding of the range of harmful outcomes that could occur but highly inadequate information about their probabilities; (2) we care fairly little about the potential gains to be made by choosing the hazardous activity; and (3) the potential harms associated with the hazardous activity are unacceptable.
Dragging our feet on the COVID vaccines arguably violates all three of these conditions, but it indisputably violates (2): we have very good reason to care about the harms associated with not vaccinating people for COVID, especially around the holiday travel season. The conservative culture of science (and to some extent public health) is great when it comes to abstract theory change, but right now it's getting people killed.
The conservative culture of science (and to some extent public health) is great when it comes to abstract theory change, but right now it’s getting people killed.
Seems like more a US problem than a science problem, Israel and EU approved boosters months ago. Not saying you are wrong, it definitely plays into it, but what we have is a leadership deficit imo
It's absolutely both of those. The natural culture of science is pretty slow and pretty conservative: we want to look before we leap, and be sure about consequences before we make big changes. Most of the time, that culture has (arguably) at least some positives, especially if the alternative is Facebook-style "move fast and break stuff." Sometimes, though, we need to expedite that process and it's worth taking some risks in order to prevent more damage. Competent political (and scientific, really) leadership should pressure scientific institutions to behave extraordinarily in extraordinary circumstances.
:amerikkka-clap: Fucking amazing. :amerikkka:
Go to any news story about mask mandates and a legion of chuds will be in the comments making it clear there is no hope for this cursed country.
The whole mask thing has been so soul crushing for me.
Wearing mask is so easy and not objectionable that the fact they won't even do it, and that they'll fight so hard against it, just shows how little they'll do for the social good. Like they'll literally do nothing AND be assholes about it to everyone who does
When I first heard about the boosters coming out and the government immediately saying "not everyone will need a booster" I literally yelled "are you fucking kidding me" out loud. How do you fuck this up TWICE? How hard would it be to just say something like we are currently researching appropriate booster timelines? This country is so fucked, we're headed back towards 3-4k deaths per day this holiday season.
The only bright side to this whole debacle is that Chuds are dying at a ratio of like 5:1 because the Right is so hellbent on evading vaccination. It'll have demograpic consequences. Apparently in some states the number of Chuds who have died is greater than the margin by which the GOP won the state.
yeah but most of the ones dying are just older people who ain't producing children anymore, and chuds reproduce at a rate 41% higher than even liberals.
it's not like doing the whole :vote: thing works anyway, and the idea that this will positively effect anything is basically moot.
i kind of get annoyed seeing that herman cain award shit on reddit. a lot of these people are just uneducated and brainwashed, and watching a bunch of libs cheering on their deaths kind of turns my stomach. basically shits all over the idea of class solidarity.
I just don't know how we can build any kind of class solidarity with fascists. There's a lot of people who can still probably be reached, but there's tens of millions who have positive views of the Nazis and will endure any kind of privation as long as a minority or liberal or LGBT+ person suffers incrementally more than they do.
How did the Soviets deal with this? From a century away it seems like the Russian proletariat and peasantry had far fewer obstacles to class solidarity than we have dealing with a working class split between Libs, fascists, and pissed off, disorganized socialists.
So "What is to be done".
I don't know how we can compete with the reach and penetration and ubiquity of Fox News and MSNBC and all the rest. I mean I guess we're getting good numbers with Millenials and Zoomers because we all spend so much time online where there's still some diversity of thought and you can sneak shit through.
Uft.
yeah we're doing pretty good, some eleventh hour, bottom of the ninth shit could happen. we just gotta keep on truckin'. don't let libs turn you into some jaded asshole though. that's the problem with reddit, it's driving the divide.
I mean shit, it's not ideal but if we can keep a coherent socialist community together until Climate Change gets really bad we've got as good a chance of surviving it as any other group. Certainly better than the Chuds who don't have any real concept of mutual aid. It'll just be a bunch of leftists, Mormons, and rich people left with coherent societies when everything goes to shit.
lol i went for a booster when our oily haired governor announced anyone could get one and i got turned away (mind you i live in a red county with appalling low vax rates) lmao
Just go to cvs if you click the radio button on the appointment you are golden
You probably qualify anyway. BMI over 25? You qualify. Mental health issues (depression, anxiety?) you qualify. The CDC has a huge list of elevating factors on their site
Name a single person that wants a booster right now that can’t get one and isn’t anxious. Literally everyone should be getting it by hook or by crook.
This is it. From what I read, many experts say the initial hardcore lockdowns in China were overkill and they could’ve done with less.
But it’s just that the West did nothing. For months. The capitalist cult of infinite growth was entirely unwilling to accept even the tiniest dent in their short-term returns, so in their endless delusion they just pretended it didn’t exist until it was way, way too late.
Scientists were screaming and begging them to do something, anything, but they didn’t. Because the magic money line forbade it and they cannot think further ahead than the next fiscal quarter.
China did something and wow, their economy was way better off for it in the long-term (1 year is what, like 4 quarters? That’s an eternity!)
I had a long rant prepared, but really the only thing to note is that the US culture of toxic individualism is literally deadly. Imagine trying to do a public health response to covid based solely on personal choices.
Some of my coworkers are pleased that this mandate is being stayed (and a metric ton of people at my company are as well). Before this was announced, the chuddy parts of the company wanted to know why we didn't just stop working for the federal government in order to be exempt from the mandate
haha
:agony-immense:
even with vaccination there's no hope of containing it under the current regime. They're not even trying. Ending it would require the kind of extensive contact tracing and enforced quarantines that Vietnam did to completely negate the first wave, and there's no way we could quarantine the Chuds without doing it at gunpoint, and the regime doesn't want to do that or anything like it.
I'm looking at European numbers today in the google covid dashboard(Germany in particular) and I'm not feeling very confident even though I got my covid booster yesterday.
I saw that tiktok of the woman who got, what was it, "Paranosmia"? Her nose is fucked up all food smells and tastes like sewage, to such a degree that she can't really eat or keep food down. Acute Covid is scary as shit but the "Long Covid" symptoms are terrifying and unknown. I need to get my booster.
This!
A lot of people my age just talk about how their chance of dying from covid is so low why care. But yeah the life long side affects of getting covid are common and horrifying
I think the idea of disability is really alien to a lot of people. They either don't have experience with disability or are arrogant and ignorant enough to think it couldn't happen to them. But Covid doesn't give a shit and has wrecked so many people's health. There must be millions of people now carrying serious disability burdens from Covid.
I agree. I think it's a blind spot in human thinking to just never consider things like that.
I also keep thinking about how one of the biggest risk factor for Alzheimer's was having had the 19~~ pandemic. Who knows how the covid virus is going to effect people in 20 or thirty years, we already know it does neurological damage
I had a very minor case of covid and even I wound up with a few specific foods tasting gross for a full year afterward. Fucking bizarre disease and people just wanna roll those dice :this-is-fine:
Omg I saw that video, shit broke my fucking heart. I feel so bad for her, and so terrified of getting covid. And I feel like it’s just a matter of time before I get it, even though I’ve had 3 shots. Like, it might be a couple years but it’s going to happen eventually, and I’m terrified. If I was her I might’ve killed myself by now. So fucking awful.
Too many Americans never thought about anyone but themselves for their entire lives, and still refuse during the deadliest pandemic in modern history.
This is going to cause all sorts of confusion I already have two emails in my corporate inbox on this ruling and am totally unclear as to whether or not the vaccine mandate still applies for federal contractors
:fedposting:
All kidding aside if your company provides anything to the feds you are a federal contractor. If you sell staplers to the feds you’re a federal contractor.
