Yes we are, like way worse than people understand. People won’t literally be burning up and dying but the global climate patterns are reacting in a far more extreme and far less predictable way than we thought. The threat to stability across the world is so incomprehensibly immense at this point that I don’t even really know how to describe it other than the fact that entire climate zones can and will he turned on their head over the next 100 years and the Human social and political consequences are almost immeasurable
I think humans are too hard 2 kill for near term extinction but a population reduced to a few million individuals in polar, alpine and subterranean habitats is definitely plausible
That's a wildly doomer take even with the most dire predictions of climate change, you can't just casually speculate about the death of over 99% of the population
A 7 celsius temperature increase by 2100 completely within the realm of possibility. Over the past several hundred millions years, global temperature has only varied 18 degrees celsius.
Such an increase will be 5 degrees celsius higher than any temperature humans have lived through. This is over the course of one century.
It is possible that the Earth can only sustain a few million people under conditions never before experienced by humanity, when the rate of change has never been seen in Earth's history.
It is possible that the Earth can only sustain a few million people under conditions never before experienced by humanity, when the rate of change has never been seen in Earth’s history.
The carrying capacity of the Earth now or in the future is unknown and could change wildly. Who's to say that innovation won't keep up with population, to some degree? Where would we be without antibiotics, vaccines, modern farming advancements, none of which existed before 1900?
The past century has seen the most change for humans in their history, the outcome of that shouldn't be assumed as negative. It can absolutely be hard to hold onto hope with the way the future looks, but I really hate replies like this that are just "we're probably fucked lol," it accomplishes nothing but spreading a shitty apathetic attitude that nothing can be done.
I've been playing that Frostpunk game lately and it definitely makes me appreciate just how hard dealing with climate apocalypse will be, but also that no matter how bad things get you always need to keep going.
We're definitely going to see a collapse of nationalism just from crumbling infrastructure and the need for cities to become self sufficient quickly.
I expect in the next 30 years (sure, much sooner, but also beyond 30) portions of the world will experience seasonal wet bulb conditions requiring evacuation and climate refugees. Same with hurricanes, wildfires and droughts.
My doomsday prediction is that we are left to rely on forming localized tribes for survival. It will basically be "green capitalism", where the tribes that have access to green tech and green practices will be able to survive better. For example, a bunch of houses with solar panels and a microgrid might be able to keep things going pretty well. They will benefit by also growing their own food and composting, etc. So my idea of preparation is planning a sustainable community.
Humans are too adaptable in my opinion to be completely wiped out, but society existing at its current extent may not be possible in the distant future. We already produce more than enough to take care of the global population, the issue is distribution
I ask this genuinely: can you give me some examples of weather being more extreme and less predictable in the past 100 years than the 100 years before that? It feels like it's unlikely we have accurate earth-wide weather reporting from the past 200 years that would be an apples-to-apples comparison. And I find it difficult to believe we can take a sample of only a few decades and make any sort of long term prediction out of it since virtually nothing else works that way.
poster didn't say anything about weather now compared to the past. It's about changes scientists expected as the planet heats up compared to changes actually observed. Glacier melt, sea ice extent, stuff like that. Things are happening more rapidly and in ways that hadn't been expected.
It’s not the weather, though weather patterns can and will change as well as ocean temperatures change. It’s the gradual change in climate that will be the driving factor. We aren’t trying to predict weather, we are predicting long term climate and that has become a massive challenge
I have degrees in geology and climatology-
Yes we are, like way worse than people understand. People won’t literally be burning up and dying but the global climate patterns are reacting in a far more extreme and far less predictable way than we thought. The threat to stability across the world is so incomprehensibly immense at this point that I don’t even really know how to describe it other than the fact that entire climate zones can and will he turned on their head over the next 100 years and the Human social and political consequences are almost immeasurable
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I think humans are too hard 2 kill for near term extinction but a population reduced to a few million individuals in polar, alpine and subterranean habitats is definitely plausible
That's a wildly doomer take even with the most dire predictions of climate change, you can't just casually speculate about the death of over 99% of the population
A 7 celsius temperature increase by 2100 completely within the realm of possibility. Over the past several hundred millions years, global temperature has only varied 18 degrees celsius.
Such an increase will be 5 degrees celsius higher than any temperature humans have lived through. This is over the course of one century.
It is possible that the Earth can only sustain a few million people under conditions never before experienced by humanity, when the rate of change has never been seen in Earth's history.
The carrying capacity of the Earth now or in the future is unknown and could change wildly. Who's to say that innovation won't keep up with population, to some degree? Where would we be without antibiotics, vaccines, modern farming advancements, none of which existed before 1900?
The past century has seen the most change for humans in their history, the outcome of that shouldn't be assumed as negative. It can absolutely be hard to hold onto hope with the way the future looks, but I really hate replies like this that are just "we're probably fucked lol," it accomplishes nothing but spreading a shitty apathetic attitude that nothing can be done.
Where did I say that? You are projecting way too much lmao
Yes. It is. That is a possibility people need to grapple with. I'm not saying that's guaranteed nor that people should be fucking babies & give up.
I've been playing that Frostpunk game lately and it definitely makes me appreciate just how hard dealing with climate apocalypse will be, but also that no matter how bad things get you always need to keep going.
We're definitely going to see a collapse of nationalism just from crumbling infrastructure and the need for cities to become self sufficient quickly.
I expect in the next 30 years (sure, much sooner, but also beyond 30) portions of the world will experience seasonal wet bulb conditions requiring evacuation and climate refugees. Same with hurricanes, wildfires and droughts.
My doomsday prediction is that we are left to rely on forming localized tribes for survival. It will basically be "green capitalism", where the tribes that have access to green tech and green practices will be able to survive better. For example, a bunch of houses with solar panels and a microgrid might be able to keep things going pretty well. They will benefit by also growing their own food and composting, etc. So my idea of preparation is planning a sustainable community.
Humans are too adaptable in my opinion to be completely wiped out, but society existing at its current extent may not be possible in the distant future. We already produce more than enough to take care of the global population, the issue is distribution
I ask this genuinely: can you give me some examples of weather being more extreme and less predictable in the past 100 years than the 100 years before that? It feels like it's unlikely we have accurate earth-wide weather reporting from the past 200 years that would be an apples-to-apples comparison. And I find it difficult to believe we can take a sample of only a few decades and make any sort of long term prediction out of it since virtually nothing else works that way.
poster didn't say anything about weather now compared to the past. It's about changes scientists expected as the planet heats up compared to changes actually observed. Glacier melt, sea ice extent, stuff like that. Things are happening more rapidly and in ways that hadn't been expected.
It’s not the weather, though weather patterns can and will change as well as ocean temperatures change. It’s the gradual change in climate that will be the driving factor. We aren’t trying to predict weather, we are predicting long term climate and that has become a massive challenge