In addition to the lives this kid destroyed, his own should be added to the tally of lives ruined by the right. Poor kid, many of us here could have gone the way he did if not for luck and circumstance. Not that it’s any fucking excuse, but goddamnit what a waste
It's hard to feel bad for him. I and many others here have had shitty politics when we were younger, the difference is we didn't go around shooting people over it.
Yeah I hate these takes of "oh feel bad for him, he's just a victim of brain washing"
I had very shitty chud politics growing up and didn't do anything violent against "the other". This piece of shit drove a half hour to a protest armed, killed people, and drove home. He didn't feel bad about it and no one here should feel bad for him.
This is not the same at all. Being indoctrinated is understandable, you're a victim of your upbringing sometimes, and you can have sympathy for those who haven't made it out and spew hate, slurs, and work against their best interests because of what they're told.
Going out to a protest, killing two people and paralyzing a third, and then fleeing the state is ABSOLUTELY beyond simple brainwashing. He was aware he killed at least one person and left.
It's the exact same argument in the form of: "I figured things out, so I feel no sympathy for anyone who didn't." Alternately, "I grew up in an environment I was able to escape, and fuck anyone who wasn't able to."
You literally do not have to have sympathy for white supremacists as they massacre people
He's literally a child.
You can think he should get the book thrown at him, you can think it would have been better if he had been gunned down on the spot, and you can simultaneously think it's a tragedy that a literal child wasted his life because he grew up around chuds.
It’s the exact same argument in the form of: “I figured things out, so I feel no sympathy for anyone who didn’t.”
That's the whole fucking point of "which side are you on?" We live in a world of exploitation and terror. I do not have sympathy for people who go to war to protect it.
Should I have sympathy for scabs because they "grew up in an environment which made them hostile to working class solidarity"? Should I have sympathy for slave-owners because "they grew up in an environment where owning humans was normalized"?
What the fuck?
You can think he should get the book thrown at him, you can think it would have been better if he had been gunned down on the spot, and you can simultaneously think it’s a tragedy that a literal child wasted his life because he grew up around chuds.
You do understand that we in a world plagued by tragedy? The tragedies you choose to center speaks volumes. Yes, it's horrible that Nazi families are training their child to slaughter anti-racist protesters. They are slaughtering anti-racist protesters. I do not give a shit about the Nazi terrorist doing the killings.
Again: he's literally a child. He's 17. By all accounts his brain is a few years from being fully developed. You can't be (rightly) upset about something like the military recruiting 17-year-olds and then turn around and have absolutely zero sympathy for a 17-year-old who gets talked into toting around a gun and shooting someone. That's incoherent.
The tragedies you choose to center speaks volumes.
Again: he’s literally a child. He’s 17. By all accounts his brain is a few years from being fully developed. You can’t be (rightly) upset about something like the military recruiting 17-year-olds and then turn around and have absolutely zero sympathy for a 17-year-old who gets talked into toting around a gun and shooting someone. That’s incoherent.
How is that incoherent? I support prevention. White supremacists should not be indoctrinating children. I still do not have sympathy for white supremacist terrorists slaughtering anti-racist supporters.
It is disgusting that the military preys on children to carry out their imperial project, too. That does not change the fact a soldier raping and pillaging the Global South is undeserving of sympathy for their actions.
Who’s centering this?
"In addition to the lives this kid destroyed, his own should be added to the tally of lives ruined by the right. Poor kid, many of us here could have gone the way he did if not for luck and circumstance. Not that it’s any fucking excuse, but goddamnit what a waste"
Literally the top comment in this thread, that we both are responding to.
"Luck and circumstance" do not wipe away individual choices. This kid chose to slaughter anti-racist protesters last night. Millions of Rightist kids chose not to slaughter anti-racist protesters last night. He is not a "poor kid." He chose to drive into a city he's not from, and kill people.
You can think he should get the book thrown at him, you can think it would have been better if he had been gunned down on the spot, and you can simultaneously think it’s a tragedy that a literal child wasted his life because he grew up around chuds.
i don't feel sorry for him at all, but it is a pretty damning example of the way the increasingly organized right can turn a willing subject into a violent agent. they've got rhetoric that sharpens a dumbass racist 17 year old into an active fascist shooter; that's a young kid who might have been able to change his mind if we had gotten to him before they did. again, not sorry for him, he made his choice, but they're really ramping up the effectiveness of their recruiting and we should think about our tactics in response.
Sorry, but fuck this fascist soldier, fuck the fascist police who let him stroll on by after committing murder, and fuck every single fascist chud cheering this tragedy. I feel sorry for the people he murdered, not him. He deserves as good as he gave.
It is a shame. Right wing psychos fear mongering just to make a buck radicalizing kids to the point they feel justified commiting murder in the name of patriotism. They'll never face accountability for their roles in shit like this either.
A prison pen-pal program is a good thing, but people like this are a waste. We've got millions of people locked up. No need to waste our time on baby klansmen.
Maybe. I'd like to think that a non-alienating parenting style might help, along with a strong community (at least family). But, this doesn't fix alienating working conditions, or social alienation outside of work. School seems alienating as shit too. Standby... *moves to Vietnam for the strong community spirit*
hey, but he's gonna be a hero to all the impotent fuckers on /pol/, they might name the captain Rittenstein on the next 4chan cup, isn't that what he wanted?
Spoiler alert: probably not and he's gonna be completely broken on the hearing, espoecially if they sentence him to anything serious.
In addition to the lives this kid destroyed, his own should be added to the tally of lives ruined by the right. Poor kid, many of us here could have gone the way he did if not for luck and circumstance. Not that it’s any fucking excuse, but goddamnit what a waste
It's hard to feel bad for him. I and many others here have had shitty politics when we were younger, the difference is we didn't go around shooting people over it.
Yeah I hate these takes of "oh feel bad for him, he's just a victim of brain washing"
I had very shitty chud politics growing up and didn't do anything violent against "the other". This piece of shit drove a half hour to a protest armed, killed people, and drove home. He didn't feel bad about it and no one here should feel bad for him.
At the same time, this has "I grew up poor and made it, so I have no sympathy for anyone who didn't" energy.
This is not the same at all. Being indoctrinated is understandable, you're a victim of your upbringing sometimes, and you can have sympathy for those who haven't made it out and spew hate, slurs, and work against their best interests because of what they're told.
Going out to a protest, killing two people and paralyzing a third, and then fleeing the state is ABSOLUTELY beyond simple brainwashing. He was aware he killed at least one person and left.
"I grew up poor and made it" is celebrating the fact you are a statistical anomaly, and likely exploited many on your way up.
What is wrong you? How is this similar to "I grew up conservative & didn't massacre anti-racist protesters"?
You literally do not have to sympathize with white supremacists as they massacre people. I promise.
It's the exact same argument in the form of: "I figured things out, so I feel no sympathy for anyone who didn't." Alternately, "I grew up in an environment I was able to escape, and fuck anyone who wasn't able to."
He's literally a child.
You can think he should get the book thrown at him, you can think it would have been better if he had been gunned down on the spot, and you can simultaneously think it's a tragedy that a literal child wasted his life because he grew up around chuds.
That's the whole fucking point of "which side are you on?" We live in a world of exploitation and terror. I do not have sympathy for people who go to war to protect it.
Should I have sympathy for scabs because they "grew up in an environment which made them hostile to working class solidarity"? Should I have sympathy for slave-owners because "they grew up in an environment where owning humans was normalized"?
What the fuck?
You do understand that we in a world plagued by tragedy? The tragedies you choose to center speaks volumes. Yes, it's horrible that Nazi families are training their child to slaughter anti-racist protesters. They are slaughtering anti-racist protesters. I do not give a shit about the Nazi terrorist doing the killings.
Again: he's literally a child. He's 17. By all accounts his brain is a few years from being fully developed. You can't be (rightly) upset about something like the military recruiting 17-year-olds and then turn around and have absolutely zero sympathy for a 17-year-old who gets talked into toting around a gun and shooting someone. That's incoherent.
Who's centering this?
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How is that incoherent? I support prevention. White supremacists should not be indoctrinating children. I still do not have sympathy for white supremacist terrorists slaughtering anti-racist supporters.
It is disgusting that the military preys on children to carry out their imperial project, too. That does not change the fact a soldier raping and pillaging the Global South is undeserving of sympathy for their actions.
"In addition to the lives this kid destroyed, his own should be added to the tally of lives ruined by the right. Poor kid, many of us here could have gone the way he did if not for luck and circumstance. Not that it’s any fucking excuse, but goddamnit what a waste"
Literally the top comment in this thread, that we both are responding to.
"Luck and circumstance" do not wipe away individual choices. This kid chose to slaughter anti-racist protesters last night. Millions of Rightist kids chose not to slaughter anti-racist protesters last night. He is not a "poor kid." He chose to drive into a city he's not from, and kill people.
He's literally a Nazi murderer. Besides, it's not like his victims didn't have families. Maybe children.
I'd prefer he be hit by something a little heavier than a book
Okay there ACLU...
Oh for sure, like I said no excuse, but it’s still tragic
i don't feel sorry for him at all, but it is a pretty damning example of the way the increasingly organized right can turn a willing subject into a violent agent. they've got rhetoric that sharpens a dumbass racist 17 year old into an active fascist shooter; that's a young kid who might have been able to change his mind if we had gotten to him before they did. again, not sorry for him, he made his choice, but they're really ramping up the effectiveness of their recruiting and we should think about our tactics in response.
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Sorry, but fuck this fascist soldier, fuck the fascist police who let him stroll on by after committing murder, and fuck every single fascist chud cheering this tragedy. I feel sorry for the people he murdered, not him. He deserves as good as he gave.
Agreed, not excusing him like I said, just acknowledging the tragedy
It is a shame. Right wing psychos fear mongering just to make a buck radicalizing kids to the point they feel justified commiting murder in the name of patriotism. They'll never face accountability for their roles in shit like this either.
the fash radicalization pipeline is so well-greased, it's scary
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A prison pen-pal program is a good thing, but people like this are a waste. We've got millions of people locked up. No need to waste our time on baby klansmen.
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It's hard to watch, as a parent. I think about how so many people were just wee innocent babes at one time and it hurts my heart/soul.
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Maybe. I'd like to think that a non-alienating parenting style might help, along with a strong community (at least family). But, this doesn't fix alienating working conditions, or social alienation outside of work. School seems alienating as shit too. Standby... *moves to Vietnam for the strong community spirit*
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hey, but he's gonna be a hero to all the impotent fuckers on /pol/, they might name the captain Rittenstein on the next 4chan cup, isn't that what he wanted?
Spoiler alert: probably not and he's gonna be completely broken on the hearing, espoecially if they sentence him to anything serious.