:so-true: :funny-clown-hammer:
Edit: I’m not a lib! I’m not a lib!
https://twitter.com/waitbutwhy/status/1495488331509075969?s=21
How long until Elon and his ilk start talking about white genocide?
Edit: one user asks how they could bring someone into this world given climate change. Says their kids would likely suffer.
Elon’s response? “They’ll be fine.”
Well that settles it I guess.
i mean he's probably right. the children of the average twitter user are gonna lead reasonably comfortable lives, even in a dying empire.
i would think that most of elon musks fans (on twitter at least) are lower to low-mid (if ""middle class"" is even really a thing) teenaged edgelord dude bros who typically spend half their free time on twitter responding to elons tweets, and the other half on reddit primary on the elon musk sub and various gaming sub reddits . maybe im wrong though i dont know
always difficult to tell from a tweet if people are doing great replacement bits, but countries having very old populations and not enough young people to care for them due to dropping birth rates is going to be a serious problem and I don't understand why people aren't more scared of it.
Having a big surplus of young people to care for the elderly is just another luxury of the old world that we will have to give up. I certainly don’t want anyone having kids just so they can wipe my ass later on. I guess what I mean to say is that I don’t feel entitled to it and I don’t think anyone else should either.
that's a very bleak view you hold
people are entitled to a long safe and happy life, I've no doubt there's a time coming where that gets less and and less possible for more and more people, but that's a thing I believe with my heart and giving up on it is not an option
I feel giving up on it should be considered if you care about the future generations that are going to be brought into this burning house we call an ecosystem.
I mean fighting for a better world is great and all, but that doesn’t necessitate dragging another soul into existence to experience a declining, dying world.
I imagine we've both had this conversation a few times before and I don't particularly want to have it again. I sincerely hope you have a good day, brother.
Who is telling me to have a good day. Show yourself coward, I will never have a good day. /s
I know the doom and gloom is tiring but I think it’s important that we acknowledge reality. And where we’re heading as a species. And how that’s going to negatively affect future generations, let alone the people currently living. Perhaps the best thing is not to bring them into this hell to begin with. Sorry to push the issue or if I’m repeating myself too much.
Ensuring that people live long healthy lives does not necessitate bringing more people into the world. You can still fight for the people already living. Perhaps we should think of those people first
I don’t think anti-Natalism and the fight for change are mutually exclusive or opposed to one another. I disagree that being opposed to having kids means you’ve given up on the future entirely. But I think it’s going to take a miracle to save the species, and I wouldn’t want my kid’s lives to hinge on a miracle. If my kid asked me why I brought them into a dying world, I don’t think they would appreciate me saying that I did it on the off chance that humanity will start taking this seriously. Idk maybe I’m doing mental gymnastics here.
Once I see the countries of the world make serious and sufficient change to avert destruction, I’ll re-evaluate my outlook. Right now all I see is apathy and powerlessness amongst the portion of people who believe this is real. Then you have the other half who refuse to listen. It would demoralize any sane person, I would think anyway.
Call me an edgelord and a doomer all you want. We all know we’re not going to adequately deal with this as a species. Not anytime soon.
All of human existence is having kids to wipe your ass for you. That being said I won't have kids either.
I agree that old people should be cared for lol.
I just don’t think it’s a valid reason to keep a high birthrate. If we can’t figure out how to care for old people more efficiently with a smaller population of young people, then we kind of deserve to get steamrolled by ecological collapse.
Its already a serious problem in Japan and Italy among other neoliberal end stage purgatories but hey the old are useless shitbags who cant contribute to muh society and muh economy anymore so fuck em lol let em rot with the bed maggots i love neoliberalism and wish every single titan of industry a long happy life with their intestines firmly inside their bodies which arent burnt to a crisp 😇
Part of it is probably tech-bro optimism, where we'll just magically figure out some technological solution to the problem, just like how we're totally going to solve climate change with fancy geoengineering.
There's also the fact that a lot of people are in an economically precarious enough position to not really have the time and opportunity to actually think too deeply about the future.
And finally - there have been various (alleged) historical practices of geronticide. Considering how society already treats the homeless, and how during Covid we pretty much did actual, not just alleged geronticide in all those nursing homes, it's not really a stretch that a lot of people would be willing to just... overlook things like that.
because it wouldn't be as much of an issue if we just had multi-generational housing. end the idea of living alone all the time an aunts and uncles can help with childcare and benefit from eldercare when they are old. simple. as.
what about people who don't have families? or whose families can't afford to look after them, or simply won't? or who require specialist or round the clock care?
just saying "well they can simply live with a group of people who consents to care for them" isn't even close to an answer. and saying simple. as. is obnoxious.
I live in a multigenerational housing situation to care for my mam, and it's only because there are enough people earning wages and she has a decent pension that we can afford it. the ageing crisis is going to TRIPLE the elderly population worldwide and in certain places it'll be even more.
if this burden falls on the family unit everything is fucked, there is going to be a huge crisis of social care and it requires a state response.
I don’t understand why people aren’t more scared of it.
Only the good die young.
Top-heavy population pyramids present difficulties, but this was always going to be the case, from the time we started developing modern medicine. Amd they're not so catastrophic, especially when compared to the likelihood of having more people all consuming at higher rates.
TFRs of 1.7-1.9 are just fine, and in this century we really don't want a global TFR above 2.2.
capitalists don't like declining birth rates because that means smaller labor pool which means line can't go up. Of course Elon also got the whole south african apartheid thing going on so he also probably also is concerned about white birth rates specifically.
As a general rule, population decline is symptomatic of some crisis within the society.
Of course, rather than fixing the problem, liberals demand that we paper over the symptoms and keep on trucking. Excited for the US to go whole hog on eugenics and start up some kind of white person industrial agricultural program.
“Based? On what?”
Tim Urban seems innocent enough. Although he helped promote neuralink. Wonder if he’s said anything given the recent news.
I would think all that stuff is still on the table for the far right, at least. Elon sucks but he’s mainstream right.
Also it can mean anything to anyone. “We should have more kids” could be a dog whistle that some people would pick up on. I’m not sure.
No matter what these people think it’s gonna be harmful by virtue of them being morons. Malthusianism? Bad. Just ignoring the fact that we have stripped the natural world (and the bill is coming due) so you can keep pumping out kids who will have to live in the ruins? Also bad.
Whenever I hear people talk about the population declining and that we need to have more kids, I assume it’s a dog whistle for we need to have more white kids.
If they were concerned about labor shortages, they would support immigration and if they were concerned about people not wanting to raise families, they would prioritize material conditions and the environment.
They want artifical everything because there really isn't a demographic that has been pandered to and fed carefully sterile, polished and tailored content and experiences as much as your average techbro. To be perfectly honest you could whack most of them in some sort of pod and feed them individually tailored experiences via some sorta dream stimulation and they'd much prefer it to experiencing the real world in all its complexity, dirt and imperfections.
Or not I dunno I took a codiene tablet to head off a migraine so I might be talking out my arse.
While the "muh birfth rates' shit and generally nazi stuff is objectionable, no one is mentioning how absolutely fucking terrible this graph is. Like take a basic course on data visualization for christs sake!
Absolute fucking sheeple.
Is human nature just innately mindless and evil?
Capitalism is evil, Champsky. We’re born free, the chains come later.
Lib has a stick figure comic blog called "wait but why", sees data on declining birth rates, and fails to simply ask that very question.
Also he posts new entries like 2x a year; most of his content is crowd-sourced from fans.
