Being told this is fairly reliable for info on the situation in Ukraine. let me know if it isn’t. https://liveuamap.com/ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg?pictrs
Being told this is fairly reliable for info on the situation in Ukraine. let me know if it isn’t. https://liveuamap.com/ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg?pictrs
'Ukrainian Foreign Minister: The losses suffered by the Russian forces prompted Moscow to negotiate without preconditions' this is such pure fucking :cope: i can;t even
This shit is exactly why I understood Russia not wanting to back off only to let these jokers strut around some summit in a NATO country like serious diplomats, claiming they want peace buy Russia wouldn't agree to disarmament or some ridiculous demand, all where US intelligence might do god know what to fuck them up or even move on Russian officials.
I've got no love for Russia but the faster this is over the better and it's not going to happen with Zelensky's government clinging to absurd fantasies of miraculous domination over the Russians.
I was initially against the invasion, and still am, but my position has rapidly shifted to hoping for the fastest possible Russian victory to minimise civilian casualties. The longer the Ukraine fights, the more Ukrainian Volkssturm die unnecessarily. I will admit also that seeing a Warsaw Pact based army see success would give me great satisfaction as I would be able to lord it over my chud colleagues, but that sort of shit is more secondary and I certainly wouldn't want a war just to prove that.
This is basically my position too. Ordinary Ukrainians are literally being held hostage by their crooked nationalist leaders (for such a devoted Ukrainian nationalist Zelensky sure does host a lot of money offshore in tax havens through dummy corporations). Not just in the geopolitical sense, but literally when they decided to bar teenagers and pensioners alike from fleeing the violence, pulling them off buses, and forcing them to head back into the violence with no training.
The faster those self-serving scum are pushed to some sense of reason and humility, or destroyed if that's what it comes to, the better.
Wonderfully said. NATO, social fascists, literal fascists are cheering on continued war cause they want a "cool" story like the forest brothers or the Finns in the winter war. they dont care what those things actually believed, or how many regular people will die needlessly. This shit is monstrous, and they are using an evil invasion as pretext to fucking set the standard of civilians as combatants and that you have to cheer on whatever conflict NATO wants. They already do that, but it hasn't been this flagrant in Europe proper since Yugoslavia.
It is like Syria with even more punditry which is a very scary thought for human rights abuses
Was the reference to Nazi militias really necessary? Dehumanization is happening on both ends, but the majority off Ukrainians fighting right now are not Neo-Nazis. Are there Neo-Nazi elements in the country sure, but to paint Ukrainian citizens dying as some "Volkssturm" is very unnecessary.
I understand, but the point is to illustrate the futility and desperation of the government's actions and not to paint Ukrainians as Nazis, which is reductive.
The issue is that if he gives in too much, the next president elected might be more antagonistic to Russia, which would be counterproductive in this regard. People have lost their homes, family members, etc. and they want revenge. The best compromise would be to address the issue off Eastern Ukraine through a referendum or giving them autonomous status as the current structure off Ukraine has the oblasts having minimal power over their goverance.
The Ukrainian government is tweeting in support of Azov coating bullets in lard to shoot at Chechan "orcs".
I don't know what clearer evidence there could be that the Nazi rot has reached the roots of the tree.
https://twitter.com/ng_ukraine/status/1497924614865002497?t=cAwrICy7mCM38DZiOitWZw&s=19
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this is the 2nd winter war, the dumb slavic asiatic hordes are getting owned by plucky blonde haired blue eyed ukrianians :so-true:
Well, this has been their attitude all along.
do you think they should enter the talks saying "we're getting our arses whipped and lay ourselves on the mercy of the russian federation?"
you obviously bluff as hard as you can get away with going into negotiations. literally everyone in the world would do that.
No literally everyone in the world wouldn't grandstand at peace talks. Bluff sure, but this is flagrant and no one will buy it save for american hogs and nationalists who they want to convince to oppose the peace. Bluffing does not mean divorce yourself from reality
they weren't at peace talks when the statement was released, if they sit down at the table and come out with this shit they're daft.
releasing it the the media beforehand is propaganda - really obvious propaganda. projecting strength going into the negotiations.
people on here are acting like like they've gone mad, writing about absurd Jokers who don't want peace and believe in the coming miraculous domination of their enemies.
part of spotting propaganda is knowing that the people saying it usually don't really believe it either, or are massively exaggerating a belief.
this is just totally standard doctrinaire shit for negotiating.
It doesn't project strength to the people they are negotiating with though. It is for show, not to their people or the Russians, but for NATO citizens. Member states know it is bullcrap obviously. It is nationalist madness, regardless of if the person saying it believes it. They are ordering civilians to operate as if it is true. Its not harmless sabre-rattling
I completely disagree that it's not for their own citizens, that's the main audience.
it's not madness, it's not madness when russia threaten nuclear attack when they have no plans to use them either.
it's gone well beyond sabre rattling, nobody's worried about escalating shit through words, they're in a full war.
if you think this obviously over the top media soundbite is going to be received as anything other than pablum by the russians you're wrong. it's totally irrelevant to the negotiations. imagine being in a full war for three days and then getting upset because your enemy did a press release where they exaggerated their status.
So it is just words and wont effect negotiations, also it is important because it makes them stronger in negotiations? Got it, brilliant.
What is your problem with laughing at stupid propaganda then? You tone police not being charitable enough to Ukrainian propaganda
it's important to show a brave face to your own population and your own armed forces.
if you go into a negotiation presenting anything but bare faced, insane confidence it'll be instantly spun as surrender. people don't tend to like carrying on fighting when they think their government is going to surrender at any moment.
this doesn't make them stronger in the eyes of russia in negotiations and at no point have I said it did, that's your miscomprehension.
it's a prerequisite, a thing you just have to do going into negotiations to not weaken your position.
I'm not tone policing anything, I think the way this war is being comprehended on here is getting worse and worse so I'm pushing back at things I think are wrong.
you can say what you want and I'll say what I want.
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you are pushing back in opposite directions. If it is a prerequisite going into negotiations "to not weaken your position" as you said, then why does it
how does that square with
What does it matter in negotiations if it only effects internal moral, which evidentially means going back to the not surrendering and having civilians die en mass plan, which btw dragging them off busses to fight sends the opposite message to the populace that the military is fine and handling it and peace talks will be with them in a dominant position.
In negotiations the citizenry is not gonna be asked how they are feeling, if they are confident. hyping up that your country will fight till the last elderly man is not effecting negotiations at all to be sure, but it also does not strengthen them going in to negotiations. You policed Redcuban in the first place, you act like it is utterly insane that people scoff at propaganda, like we are dullards for remarking on these 4d chess moves by Ukraine that we just dont respect. If it is all just for the civilians, then they are also telling them they are going to have to fight desperately and cannot be allowed to leave. It contradicts itself, and this idea that the dragging people off busses thing is just for show. Their two shows are clashing is a way that is getting people killed. That's ghoulish. I get why they are doing it, we all do. But we are mocking it as pathetic because that's what nationalism is
nope. it's coherent, you're just not following it properly
ukraine want to get the most concessions/best deal they can from any meeting
if you don't message strongly to your own forces the summit can and will be spun as surrender
ukraines forces believing that could become disheartened/abandon positions/whatever
this would weaken ukraines position in negotiations
this would stop them from getting the most beneficial deal in any negotiation
I'm not going to have a discussion about fucking tone policing with you mate, deal with it
I don't see these dumbasses agreeing with peace until half of Ukraine is captured.
Isn’t half of Ukraine already captured, i mean they’re at the gates of Kiev
Not really. They're sieging a lot of cities rn. And according to Ukrainian gov, 40 gazillion Russians died at the border
There's progress around the southern coasts, northern borders, around Kiev and eastern Donbass regions. The western and middle regions haven't witnessed a strong Russian advance yet.
Who the fuck really knows, but most of western Ukraine is still relatively untouched, they did get bombed right at the start but there doesnt seem to be boots on the ground https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FFMnKz4sX0AYUodX.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig