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how the fuck can they criminalize leaving? You don't fuckin live there no more, what fucking jurisdiction do you have?
hell, how can they legally prove your motive for leaving as well? it's fucking idaho, just say you left for some job opportunity somewhere else or something
It doesn't have to be enforced enforced in order to harass people or drown them in court bullshit.
All it takes is one report from a shitty transphobic relative and you can be in jail with your kids kidnapped in to state custody.
Not if you're out of state though.
Regardless I am obviously not defending this law, I am hopeful that the law will fail to accomplish it's heinous goals.
until they make it so that anyone can sue anyone for it from any jurisdiction like with the texas abortion law
how the fuck can they criminalize leaving?
everything about this is flat-out unconstitutional. as with texas (both the trans bill and the abortion bill), they will not be able to enforce this yet, but just as with texas, the purpose of this is to get their base riled up and propagandized, get them into goose-stepping mode, teach them to hate and to snitch on their neighbors until they do not need laws anymore to persecute trans people. the purpose of these laws isn't to hold up in a court, the purpose is to normalize full, mask-off fascism, make propagandized hogs associate trans people with "child abuse" and make them think they're in the right when they go out and murder us. they're using us in the same way the nsdap used people with disabilities - the first minority to hone their tools of persecution on before they go for all-out genocide.
Because they can do whatever they want, because the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force. They've got cops. Cops have guns. They'll torture, imprison, or kill you if you don't comply.
balsamic vinegar is now code for "invade and occupy the fake state of Idaho"
I feel like this was a reference to my planned sandwich, but yes, as the other poster said, it is now code for "death to idaho"
All 55 votes that got it passed deserve a fucking guillotine.
I have a good friend who is trans and lives in the Midwest, and lately I've been really worried for her safety.Help her move to Minneapolis. It's still the Midwest and it still sucks, but it's the least shitty place in the region and there's a big LGBT community there.
some people in the replies noting that the language might accidentally outlaw circumcision, so time to start reporting every doctor who performs them to the police
They'll arrest you for making false reports. You can't be clever with the law. It's a cudgel, they don't give a shit about being consistent with it.
In other news, the Pinkerton Detective Agency just signed its biggest contract since 1892
People are like "You can't just call Republicans Nazis" but they keep. Doing. Nazi. Shit.
Oh great, predictably it turns out Ohio is trying to do similar shit. Majority Republican general assembly there, too. I have family members that will be directly impacted by this.
What a fucking sick joke of a country this is.
:field-baseball:
About to do an adventurism because Ohio is an eyesore garbage-tier state anyway. Florida has more going for it than that dump.
I’d been seriously thinking about moving to a city in that State as I don’t mind visiting, being closer to family would be great and it’s so much easier to afford to live there (vs. The Bay Area), but uhhh now…perhaps not.
what? you mean circumstances prevent you from doing the most economically rational decision? how perverse.
I’m a bad consumer, please don’t smite me Mr. Market :hyperflush:
Another reason to want to nuke the stupidpol idiots on reddit. Class Reductionists are pure fuckin trash.
That surgery is sometimes a forced “corrective” surgery performed on homosexuals who would otherwise be given the death penalty, iirc
Iran also have better policies on treatment of drug-addicts and is less draconian in its sentencing for possession / use of drugs. However if you get caught with drugs on you, in any amount that they think is intent to distribute, they accuse you of being a CIA-infiltrator, and hang you pretty quickly.
I believe the “removal” language isn’t talking about moving residences out of state, but rather crossing state borders to receive care
So... Interstate commerce? Well, the courts might just slap that down out of hand, regardless of who sits on them.
The courts are so compromised by White Christo fascists at this point the law is whatever White evangelical Christians want it to be.
Even the originalists are going to uphold federal supremacy on clear interstate commerce. It is literally one of the core issues for which the document was written. I can see multiple ways to get to five or even six on SCOTUS as it is currently seated... Well four or five as it is currently seated, but one assumes that the Biden crony being nominated will be sat soon. If the Democrats aren't total imbeciles... Which they may well be.
Yeah, we'll see.
Breyer's retirement only takes place once his replacement is confirmed.
Gorsuch and Roberts are ghouls but you're right, there's no way they'll nuke interstate commerce.
there's literally nothing stopping them from ruling one way on this and another way on something else
they do not care about precedent or ideological consistency
it has not been a going concern in conservative jurisprudence for a minute
People still, still believe that the Supreme Court is some kind of principled institution instead of a rubber stamp for state, corporate, and social violence.
Yeah like California spun up some dumb gun law thing that uses the same snitching mechanism as the Texas abortion law in an attempt to get it struck down and establish precendent. There's literally no way the court will find the same way on both of those. Credulous libs will keep trying though and keep painting RBG murals everywhere.
Give neo-confederates shit for waving their flag because they lost but put up pictures of Gisnberg everywhere without a hint of irony.
Kavanagh, yes. Roberts and Gorsuch, no. Not to this extent. And the lawyers who take the case to the Supreme Court will tailor their arguments to make sure they keep Roberts and Gorsuch. Maybe every other section of this bill somehow stands, but not the leaving-the-state part. 0% chance, even if a nutjob in a lower court makes up a justification.
You remember when Gorsuch voted to protect trans employment rights? This is the same as that. He and Roberts are political hacks, but they also have a judicial philosophy that they apply when the question isn't procedural-political or abortion-related.
Yes because adventurism by trans people will definitely not end in a genocide. Sorry but I am pretty despondent right now.
This one is such a blatant violation of a core function of the federal government. If that isn’t unconstitutional basically nothing is, so I think even the most psychopathic Supreme Court justices would strike this one down.
Dude the founding documents says some bullshit about "All men are created equal" but it was written by a guy who owned slaves. "Unconstitutional" is just some bullshit someone made up, it doesn't mean anything.
True, but that’s not a fundamental tenant of what makes the federal government a legitimate body. The interstate commerce clause is.
It is - but federal supremacy on interstate commerce is a core reason the Constitution was written, which means Roberts and Gorsuch will vote to uphold it. Kavanaugh is a maybe, leaning no. Alito is a probably no. Corny-Badbreath is a hard no. Thomas would probably vote to make being trans a death sentence if he could. That's 2.25 votes + 3 liberal justices who will vote on the civil rights issue depending on when it reaches the Court.
Edit: No possibility of 2 libs because of how Breyer is retiring. Fixed
what really fucking scares me is when the republicans absolutely sweep the house and senate either this election or next they are going to pick the most horrific and egregious one of these state bills and make it federal so there's no escape... and then it goes to the supreme court and is allowed and basically enshrined forever. :vote: :vote: :vote: :vote: :vote: :vote:
We lost the culture war, didn't we?
Are California, a couple enclaves in New England, and occupied Hawaii the only semi-redeemable spots in :amerikkka:?
Please tell me there's at least a one redeemable place in middle America...
Illinois is pretty cool. safe abortion and trans state as far as i know. Also weeds legal here.
I'd amend to say Chicago-land, anything outside of the suburban ring may as well be Indiana or Iowa
Been mulling over a job offer in Chicago, how's the bike infrastructure/local activists (in general, non identifiable terms obv)
Bike infrastructure is (IMO) the best you will get from a midwest metropolis. Many parts of the city have designated bike lanes, lots of those DIY bike rental kiosks in the bougier parts, bike racks by social hotspots etc. Public transportation is above average as well (buses, trains, the L, etc.)
As far as local activists goes the Teacher's Union is still on of the strongest non-pig unions in the country, but as far as local orgs my only real direct experience is a pair of cliquish marxist reading groups before moving around so I am not a good source for this question.
E: To be clear this is in answer to your questions, I won't make any strong endorsement to take the job and move knowing nothing about your situation.
Making it a matter of the 'Culture War' is the wrong way of framing it.
It's a fine line between Culture War and Fucking Genocide, and the GOP is dancing on the other side at this point.
How so, if you don't mind me asking?
"Vote to make trans people suffer just for teh lulz." is a popular, reliable GOP policy that guarantees them victory almost all the time (not that the dems being controlled opposition is completely off-limits.) I would make a case that it's culture war.
I know I'm being a doomer here, but it's disturbing how almost universally despised civil rights are in the US. Nor am I trying to be :stupidpol: and say we should be more transphobic/racist so the normies will like us.
I say this because, the very nature of the culture war is for it to serve as a Distraction. It's not that Trans people having their rights stripped from them is just a simple distraction, it's that describing it as just being part of the culture war, only makes it seems as though it's some lighthearted 'pwning the Libs'/the 'other side winning', which, imo, only serves to passify concerns surrounding issues like, ya' know, Trans People having rights.
It's also because we only end up buying into frameworks that reactionaries thrive in, because they know the 'Culture War' is one of the only ways for them to gain any political influence.
Culture war has always been a propaganda facade for genocidal violence.
Growing up in the mid 90s, I remember a local controversy. A high school teacher told his class he was gay (mentioned that gay men like him were killed in the holocaust, that was literally it). Created a huge uproar, lots of parents wanted him fired. A year ago, that incident felt like a foreign country to me. Really thought we advanced well beyond that. But now we have "Don't Say Gay" bills that are trying to push us back 25+ years.
So what's different? Personally, I think basically no one over 65 right now in Amerikkka has changed their minds about LGBT issues. In the mid 90s, it was still socially acceptable for adults to talk about homosexuality being a "sin" and calling gay men deviants, pedophiles, etc. A very large number of the over 40 crowd then had absolutely despicable views about LGBT. Over the years, they found more social ostracism, anger and outright rejection from their family directed at them. This culminated in that one landmark scotus decision in 2013 that made gay marriage legal. But the boomers never changed their minds, they just learned to keep their mouths shut. In the face of white conservatives losing their grip on power and waning privilege and respect, they got more insular and dejected.
Then the Trump movement came along. Trump taught white conservatives to fight back. He taught them if you're willing to wear the black hat and be the people everyone else hates, you can actually turn back the clock. Let them hate you, they'll be forced to bend the knee to your political power. Who cares if your kids won't let you see your grandkids anymore? You have your like-minded Facebook friends. You have QAnon. You have power again. And that's all you need.
The death rattle of white evangelical conservatism is gonna get way worse, IMO. They are primed to follow - and I'm not exaggerating - a fascist as evil as Hitler if it means we are all forced at gunpoint to bend the knee to them.
they just learned to keep their mouths shut
I think you've been living in a bubble where virulent, violent homophobia isn't normalized. If the electoral map is red homophobic social violence is normal and actual physical violence is a real and constant threat. If you live where it's blue that's still true but you can find bubbles where you mostly don't have to deal with it on a daily basis.
Washington is unlikely to be able to pass any anti-trans legislation on the outside chance that the Republicans ever manage a full sweep of state offices. Which is tremendously unlikely, because if the Dems lose votes in their enclaves in this state, they're as likely to go to DSA candidates as Republicans.
True, but that's not necessarily middle America.
I know this is a lib take I made, but also Washington and more specifically the Pacific Northwest, hence why nazis target portland a lot. They seem to have an almost perfect combat record there, so we know the nazis that ARE there are some of the nastiest, most organized hogs out there.
I know California isn't really all that better as I know that a lot of Eastern California is hog territory.
They really don't have a perfect combat record. They just don't get arrested because the cops are on their side. But they do get the crap kicked out of them on a regular basis. Also, a lot of local antifascists have found that the best way to deny them the opportunity to get violent is to restrict their access to their event, preventing them from massing up in the first place.
a lot of local antifascists have found that the best way to deny them the opportunity to get violent is to restrict their access to their event, preventing them from massing up in the first place.
Storing that knowledge for later.
Minneapolis is about it. It's where all the queer people in the Midwest go if they can't get to Chicago.
anybody remember when 7DeadlyFetishes promised to stop posting if Idaho didn't vote for Bernie? am I remembering that wrong
We should have seen the warning of his untrustworthiness for what it was
Idaho was a sparsely populated state with Democrats and Republicans handing power back and forth all the way up until the 1980's when early patriot groups and militias began moving there en masse. Once they took power the standard of living declined dramatically. Something like one in three libraries ever constructed in Idaho has been shut down. The destruction of Idaho civil institutions is so pervasive that while almost every state has grown its amount of colleges in the past 30 years, Idaho hasn't .
Look at Idaho's governors, besides a few periods of national conservative whiplash Idaho for awhile was the same sort of racist liberal stock that ran Oregon or Washington. The brainwormed turn into extreme libertarianism and christofascism destroyed much of the social fabric in Idaho in less than a generation.
Liberalism wants us to believe progress is inexorable, but it ain't. Fuck Fukuyama.
Look at Idaho’s governors
Frank Steunenberg is the one I'm looking hardest at. No particular reason.
It's pretty wild that the State that produced Frank Church, an anti-CIA Democrat, has now just become a White Pride Refuge. Especially given the historic connections between that movement and the intelligence community.
