okay so how do you defend your boys and Stalin? I'm curious because as a historian it's very hard to praise them

    • invo_rt [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Park is so full of shit. She was peddling some shit about the DPRK not having ice cream or desserts. It took me 5 seconds to look up a video of someone visiting and buying ice cream from a street vendor there.

      • RandyLahey [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        lol. the other comment from that persons twitter too:

        Still laughing abt N Korean defector Yeonmi Park on Jordan Peterson's show claiming children there resort to eating rats, then die from eating rats, then rats eat their carcasses, thus continuing a never-ending cycle of rats & children eating each other.🇺🇸propaganda has no chill!

        • MerryChristmas [any]
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          3 years ago

          Well if you don't have rats, how do you get rid of the kids? And if you don't have kids, what do you feed the rats? A real catch-22.

        • ToastGhost [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          pretty sure thats not how conservation of energy works, also you would end up with shitloads of heavy metal accumulation as every step up the food chain the concentrations of stuff like mercury increase, making the food chain a circle would probably spiral that out of control.

      • Weedian [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        She said she had to cross several mountains to escape into China from DPRK but the place they left from has no mountains between it and China

    • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      That's literally a hexbear shitpost and she gets paid millions to say it unironically :sadness:

      • RandyLahey [he/him]
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        lol, found a longer bit of the relevant clip

        edit: after she talks about how theres only one train and one station she then immediately starts talking about how all the train stations all have piles of bodies next to them

        she starts talking a bit later about a boy who was so malnourished that his organs and intestines started hanging out of holes in his body because thats just what happens when youre really malnourished but he was still alive and begging for food and this was so normal that she felt nothing

        and at the hospital they only have one needle that they use to inject all the patients, and they dont have an indoor toilet so the patients have to go out the back and poop outside next to the big pile of dead human bodies that have rats eating their eyes and children chasing the rats to eat

        and in earthquakes they all run inside to their kitchen so they can die with food in their stomach

        • Parent [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          This all sounds like some old wives' tale or urban myth that parents tell their kids to behave like Hansel and Gretel. I can just imagine a kid whining on a long trip and their mom saying that they're lucky they don't have to push a train like in North Korea.

        • BeamBrain [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          And of course the comments are all eating that shit up

    • ToastGhost [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      for the train to completely stop, it has to slow down halfway, but before the train can slow down halfway it must slow down a quarter of its speed, etc etc... will the train ever arrive at pyongyang station?

      • panopticon [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        Say you've got four trains on the edge of a cliff. A fifth train is placed in the line of trains, and it pushes them towards the cliff. The first train, the one nearest to the cliff, falls off the cliff and the new train takes the place of the fourth train at the other end of the line.

        Time works the same way.

        • ToastGhost [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          US tabloids: kim jong un orders crowds of people into a train and drives it off a cliff every morning to keep time flowing in the country

    • Quimby [any, any]
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      3 years ago

      Yeonmi Park claiming recently that people are forbidden from loving their mothers. Or that Kim Jong Un gathered every musician in North Korea together and then shot a conductor on stage 80 times.

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Stalin? I’m curious because as a historian it’s very hard to praise them

    I am decidedly not a fan of the holocaust. If anything it was bad. Stalin stopped the holocaust (brain, 2022). I don't even have a history degree and used simple thinking in my head to deduce that.

    Works Cited:

    • Brain, Happybadger, 2022
  • AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    how do you defend millions of deaths at the hands of Stalin?

    Little-known fact that Stalin insisted on personally pressing the button to fire every single mortar shell at invading Nazis. WW2 was an elaborate plot to maximize his KDR.

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    3 years ago

    iM a HiToRiAn

    At least she’s getting steamrolled in the comments

    how do you defend millions of deaths at the hands of Stalin?

    Like this, Stalin saved the world from fascism

    • ToastGhost [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      included in stalins kill count are both nazi soldiers killed by soviets, and soviet soldiers killed by nazis, one side attributed to stalin for some made up shit about human wave tactics, the other attributed cuz noo u murdered my heckin wholesome clean whermacht. stalin becomes both an incompetent oaf and a bloodthirsty butcher, its liberal unfalsifiable orthodoxy at work.

  • ShareThatBread [he/him, he/him]
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    3 years ago

    “Medievalist”

    I would not be surprised if this person:

    • fetishes the idea of monarchy
    • regularly attends ren fairs/LARPs
    • has a partner that always wears a three piece suit
      • MerryChristmas [any]
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        3 years ago

        Yes, and as a bunch of freaks obsessed with the Royal Family, we would obviously be granted at least the titles of Duke/Dutchess. No way they'd let us be part of the starving peasantry like everyone else.

  • JuryNullification [he/him]
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    BUT WHAT ABOUT THE IMPERIAL FAMILY?

    Robespierre on the Trial of King Louis (1792)

    A small excerpt from Robespierre on 3rd of December 1792 in the National Convention: Citizens,

    The Assembly has ben led, without realizing it, far from the real question. There is no trial to be held here. Louis is not a defendant. You are not judges. You are not, you cannot be anything but statesmen and representatives of the nation. You have no sentence to pronounce for or against a man, but a measure of public salvation to implement, an act of national providence to perform. A dethroned king, in the Republic, is good for only two uses: either to trouble the peace of the state and threaten liberty, or to affirm both of these at the same time. Now I maintain that the character of your deliberation so far runs directly counter to that goal. In fact, what is the decision that sound policy prescires to consolidate the nascent Republic? It is to engrave contempt for royalty deeply on peoples’ hearts and dumbfound all the kings supporters. [...]

    Louis was king, and the Republic is founded: the famous question you are considering is settled by those words alone. Louis was dethroned by his crimes; Louis denounced the French people as rebellious; to chastise it he called on the arms of his fellow tyrants; victory and the people decided that he was the rebellious one: therefore Louis cannot be judged; either he is already condemned or the Republic is not acquitted. Proposing to put Louis on trial, in whatever way that could be done, would be to regress towards royal and constitutional despotism; it is a counter-revolutionary idea, for it means putting the revolution itself in contention. In fact, if Louis can still be put on trial, then he can be acquitted; he may be innocent; what am I saying! He is presumed to be innocent until he has been tried. But if Louis is acquitted, if Louis can be presumed innocent, what becomes of the revolution? [...]

    We have been so long stooped under its yokes that we have some difficulty in raising ourselves to the eternal principles of reason; anything that refers to the sacred source of all law seems to us to take on an illegal character, and the very order of nature seems to us a disorder. [...]

    When a nation has been forced to resort to the right of insurrection, it returns to the state of nature in relation to the tyrant. How can the tyrant invoke the social pact? He has annihilated it.

    In "Robespierre Virtue and Terror", Verso Book, 2007

    • FirstToServe [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      This argument lends well to the execution of Nicky but not of the girls.

      • JuryNullification [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        There’s always

        “There were two ‘Reigns of Terror,’ if we would but remember and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the guillotine, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”

        – Mark Twain, “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court”

        • FirstToServe [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Weighing the cumulative crimes of regimes and revolutions in hindsight is hardly justification for any individual atrocity.

      • Weedian [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Shouldn’t have made their line of succession hereditary

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  • discountsocialism [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    If you ask any American the dramatic take of how hard life is here they'd probably say things in the same vein.

  • OgdenTO [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The twist is that DPRK doesn't want sociopath liars in their country so they kick them out, and so that's who we get as "defectors"