I keep circling around to this point, which all in all isn't really a big point anyway in a long stream of US influence in Ukraine- but by lib friends keep calling it the revolution of dignity... Dignity of fascists coming to power?? Can anyone point me to a good write up of US influence in Ukraine and Maidan?

  • comi [he/him]
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    This marketing strategy requires the discourse of the Color Revolutions to be as simple as a color or a slogan: opposition. They are against the current politician in power. The social critique of all the Color Revolutions goes no deeper than that. This lowestcommon-denominator politics serves another function. The only way for a media-savvy activist organization to bring together such diverse crowds in a mass and create the pseudo-movement they need to ride to power is to ardently avoid any theoretical debate, any collective discussion of strategy, any envisioning of new worlds or elaboration of social critiques, any truly creative processes. What they want are sheep. Sheep who will dress in orange or pin a rose on their t-shirt, baaa “yes” or “no” in unison, and go home when those entrusted with the thinking have decided it is time.

    A Color Revolution is nothing but a putsch, a bloodless coup, a regime change. And this regime change is not in the interests of those who take to the streets. The nonviolent protesters in a Color Revolution never stop being spectators. They are spectators to their own movement, and at no point are they allowed to collectively formulate their interests. The interests, like the strategic decisions, come from above. Because the fundamental characteristic of every Color Revolution, the glue that holds the strategy together, is elite support.

    :meow-anarchist: gelderloos :meow-anarchist:

    • comi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      It’s not a revolution, paraphrasing it’s an election by other means

    • Animasta [any]
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      This is the most concise thing on color revolutions I've read and surprising from an anarchist author. The anarchists on my twitter TL (even the more intellectual and well-read ones) never hesitate before jumping on one of those "opposition movement" bandwagons, be it Cuba, Bolivia or Hong Kong.

      • comi [he/him]
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        My protracted people’s war to make people (including myself) read anarchist writings continues with limited success

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    There's a video of US politicans talking about who they want in Ukraine.

    Also wasn't John McCain literally in the country?

    • invo_rt [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Also wasn’t John McCain literally in the country?

      McCain was in Ukraine within 3 weeks of the start of euromaidan. He with Oleh Tyahnybok, the leader of the neo-nazi Svoboda party.

  • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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    3 years ago

    line between coup and uprising is somewhat thin but i'm of the belief coups involve internal government forces instead of outside?

    this probably isnt correct but i wouldnt characterise it as a coup, revolt that got co-opted by the right and Yanquis :shrug-outta-hecks:

      • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        illegally

        every change of government which isnt dictated by the electoral process becomes a coup then; idk what up with me but i def deliniate betweem popular uprisings and power struggles of the.elite. coup works somewhat as a differnece between

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Yes, but one based on significant popular discontent, like all such colour revolutions. It's really important to remember that the Hegemony takes contradictions and widens them to attain their goals.

  • poopoobanana [he/him]
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    Not a write up, but the Oliver Stone documentary (not directed by him... co-produced or something... he interviews Yanukovych and Putin)

    Edit: link

  • ZZ_SloppyTop [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Yes. Funny enough Soros was heavily involved, so good luck slipping that one in but it’s true. Nuland and Obama were also very instrumental.

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  • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    More akin to the revolution of 1905. Westerners really tend to underestimate the discontent of the people and overestimate the power of cia/NATO in this.

    • Multihedra [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      A good montage to pair with the call, but the end is pretty weird, and uploader seems to have RT stuff. Which is just to say, a good lib will probably object to this particular presentation

  • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    William Blum who wrote Killing Hope has 2014 Ukraine on his list of coups on his website.

    There are also the Nuland leaks from that time. There isn't much "substantive" to go on but that's because US backed coups tend to not get declassified until liberals have forgotten about them.