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From the cited source:

Stalin is an uncommon figure in modern economic history: a dictator with absolute power who also controlled one of the largest economies in the world. Since it is virtually impossible to separate Stalin's wealth from the wealth of the Soviet Union, this combination has led multiple economists to nominate him as one of the richest people of all time.

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While that money didn't belong directly to Stalin, he had the ability to leverage blah blah blah peepee poopoo

Neolib ghouls are absolutely wild.

  • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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    I can debunk those economists.

    My source of choice? The Central Intelligence Agency. When? In the 1950s. Shortly after Stalin died. What is the nature of this document? A declassified internal memo, not intended as propaganda, but as candid discussion between agency officials.

    The Western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist power structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captain of a team and it seems obvious that Khrushchev will be the new captain.

  • AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    "Stalin was dictator of an entire nation so all of its wealth was effectively his."

    The same person: "Most of Elon's wealth is tied up in investments. He isn't as wealthy as that number makes him sound."

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      NASA doesn't have the money for the solar collector program, the comet interception program, or the asteroid sample survey program and canceled all three of those and more, but that nearly-exact amount of money then subsidized a car commercial in space. :agony-minion:

  • DJMSilver [he/him]
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    These are the same people who call Putin a trillionaire. From what I've read, Stalin lived a modest life, most of his possessions went to public property when he died.

      • DJMSilver [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Much better example, these people simply have no idea how political structures work within socialist countries which is why their critiques of them don't matter. It would be like critiquing the US as if it's a feudal country.

        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Marx uses the term dictatorship of the proletariat as a more direct way of saying "democracy", but uneducated shitlibs prefer to ignore the "of the proletariat" part and compare the revocable, elected vanguard to royalty.

      • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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        Thomas Sankara had a $400 a month salary and rode a bicycle everywhere. But he was a socialist dick tater who wore camouflage and a beret therefore BURKINA FASO UPPER VOLTA BELONGED TO HEEM HON HON HON OUI OUI TRUST ME MON FRERE

      • busgetti [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        somehow, we are supposed to count whole countries for the wealth of Castro and Stalin, but are expected to ignore the stocks held by American billionaires cuz its not liquid or whatever

      • DJMSilver [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I know, i just thought that since in the mind of liberals Putin and Stalin fit in the Slavic despot who control literally everything (but they are also puny and weak). People in their imaginations think that there's a continuation from tsarist Russia through the Soviet Union to Putin now so they keep coming up with theories on how Russians are predisposed to "authortarianism" because of geography or due to being the descendents of Mongolians or whatever.

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      They expected them to demolish existing buildings and waste resources to construct a tiny a straw hut. Just as Marx intended

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I wasn't expecting it to be good, but that article is dogshit.

      Mongol Empire WEALTH: Lots of land, not much else

      Contemporary sources describe Genghis Khan's caravan as having hundreds of wagons of gold and silver spoils from his conquests following him around. What made him seem poor compared to other rulers was the fact that he never settled down and got super ostentatious with his wealth (though his heirs certainly did).

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Uhh.

      I mean I'm not much of a historian but Mansa Musa crashed the world's gold economy from giving away too much gold when he went on Hajj and Ghengis Khan ruled over everything between the Chinese coast, Poland, and the Sahara. I think it's going to be hard to beat either of them.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Mansa Musa crashed the world’s gold economy from giving away too much gold when he went on Hajj and

        Spain pulled the same trick in the 1500s, after looting the combined wealth of Inca and Aztec empires. Then their navy promptly sank into the ocean when they picked a fight against the UK during hurricane season.

        Ghengis Khan ruled over everything between the Chinese coast, Poland, and the Sahara.

        Like Macedonia's Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan didn't so much rule these regions as do a Hell's Angel's style joy ride through their center and kill anyone who looked at his army crosswise. The "empire", such that it was, never established a formal bureaucracy outside of the far eastern provinces and immediately collapsed into infighting on his death.

        I'd call them some of history's biggest moochers and looters. But I think you need to look more towards Augustus Caeser, the Eisenhower Administration, or the Tang Dynasty if you want to talk about a handful of individuals dictating the management of a plurality of global productive capital.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      LMAO, this economist article source lists Julius Cesar as the second-richest person in history.

      Christ, by this logic we should just make the Secretary of Defense the richest man in the United States - perhaps even the world.

    • AlyxMS [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Socialism so advanced you don't even need to own toothbrush.

    • riley
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      1 year ago

      deleted by creator

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      He supposedly had $200,000 (in rubles) in a bag in his locker, the money he had earned from his book royalties, untouched. I've never heard of where that went afterwards though.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    he didn't have absolute power even the CIA said so you fucking dolts

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    "more or less" "O B J E C T I V E L Y"

    Weasel words pretending to come straight from the hard logic and facts science lab.

  • mittens [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    If I controlled every economic asset in my country I would also be among the wealthiest, so I guess Forbes should add me to their list

  • Deadend [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    So by that logic every President of the USA is as well.

  • determinism2 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    "yeah but do you think he could sell all of it without the price collapsing?"