If loving things feels good then I don't care if it's chemicals it feels good so I like it
"Bro your brain is just like a computer that runs human.exe"
Lmao that sounds stupid, shut up nerd.
It's that "you're just a rotting piece of meat" Tyler Durden sermon without a shred of literary analysis.
Its also just this simplistic sci-fi idea of if you just add more to a computer at some point it will be human and act as we imagine a human would, with some thinly veiled slave retribution fears hidden just beneath the surface.
It's also full of misogynist angst because the notion that the evil AI that might run loose is almost always presented as feminine and often has a male-gazey fanservice aspect.
"Oh no, she's hot! And she wants to kill you! Feeemales, amirite? Gotta cage that chaos dragon, bucko!" :jordan-eboy-peterson:
i think there's definitely interesting Psychology in how fictional depictions of rampant AI often are female coded, but it's also notable that the progenitor of the trope, Asimov, made his robots largely male or sexless and his human protagonist female.
Asimov usually used characters as plot devices. He was more interested in the science part of science fiction. I enjoyed many of his books, especially Robot City, in my formative years, and I say this as someone fond of his work.
The later "scary AI" fiction cliches often have airs of sexual pathology to them. "Oh no she's sexy don't trust her she will kill you if you give her any leniency whatsoever keep tightening that leash bucko!" :jordan-eboy-peterson:
In my own books, I deliberately played with and subverted that cliche. Yes, there's female-coded AI, but I follow the Hawking warning about the real threat of AI: who owns it. :porky-happy:
this is blatantly untrue and whenever someone tries to vehemently assert it to me against any evidence i grind more nanometers of enamel off my molars
What do you mean gravity doesn't exist? Because of general relativity?
average space time curvature fan :expert-shapiro: vs :brainworms: the eleven dimensional supergravity enjoyer
There aren't many exceptions, but a couple do come to mind such as black holes and neutron stars. Oh and light!
I can't think of anything else
Bit aside, that's interesting to think about black holes and neutron stars as not being made of molecules or even atoms. Like if course they aren't but I've never really thought about it that way.
wouldn't they be made of iron and helium which is what the stars that formed them would be composed of by the end of their life cycle
No, they wouldn't - the nature of neutron stars and black holes is that their gravitational pull is so strong it pulls matter so close that it overcomes the natural repulsion from their orbiting electrons. At this stage the matter is condensed so densely that there are no atoms anymore - electrons are pressed back into protons to create nothing but neutrons. If the mass is great enough it even pulls the matter in closer and eventually the matter occupies no space at all - this is a black hole.
Rick and Morty and its consequences and so on and so on :zizek:
For real though, the "it's just chemicals" argument is self defeating. Being some "I fucking love science!" :reddit-logo: bazinga brain also involves chemicals, and contempt for the concept of emotion is itself an emotional (and chemical) reaction.
I know that it's become a cliche to hate that show, but I hate that show anyway. Whenever it was on TV when I was living with someone that watched it, I was going :kombucha-disgust: when I walked by, hearing le funnay maymays like "Oh, it's on like Alderaan!" and "You can't go on a date with a female of the species! It's HALO NIGHT!"
I independently came up with this idea when I was a teenager like 30 years ago, so everyone can blame me. Found out later in life I'm probably on the spectrum and (possibly relatedly) barely feel emotions compared to most people, which may have influenced me.
You still have emotions even if you may have some difficulty reading them in others or expressing your own.
There's a weird specific psychiatric condition that more or less disables emotions altogether, and the side-effect of that according to reports is a lack of desire to do anything. Emotions drive us, even people under pretenses of acting under pure logic and reason (that desire is still an emotional drive).
Rick and Morty and its consequences and so on and so on
Honestly, the first thing I thought of was the scene where Morty gets bitten by a snake astronaut and shockingly asks "Wait, there's snakes in space?!" to which his grandfather replies "Everything is in space!"
while also ignoring the fact that them feeling angry is just chemicals
Every experience is "just chemicals". We aren't transcendent beings capable of extraphysical cognition. The declaration that love is just chemicals is as pointless as a solipsist writing a book.
We aren’t transcendent beings capable of extraphysical cognition.
Not with that attitude we aren’t
We aren’t transcendent beings capable of extraphysical cognition
Pfffft nobody tell them
We're organic lifeforms that interpret stimuli via electro-chemical processes, wtf else are we supposed to do?
Reminds me of the "being nice makes me feel good and being mean makes me feel bad" Tumblr post
The neat thing is that if anyone says this you can safely ignore anything they have to say about relationships in general
They tend to blame cultural Marxism and feminism and so on for being lonely. The Babby's First Nihilist Edgelord to full fash pipeline is a smooth ride.
Oh, absolutely. And a lot of the time it's like... pretty clear that their own odious personality is the real reason they're so lonely. But that level of self-awareness is generally out of the grasp of incel-fash types.
I do chemicals all the time. They fuckin rule, and you're telling me with the right person I start getting FREE chemicals? Sign me up, I'm ready
Hypocrite that they are, for they trust the chemicals in the brain that tell them they are just chemicals. All knowledge is ultimately based on that which we cannot prove.
I’ve said it a few times but mostly to fuck with a few friends of mine who are kinda hippies and love prattling on about “love” and “spirituality” and that kind of crap. I get it’s a dumb argument but it’s good to get a rise out of people who believe in woo woo shit.
I can understand the desire to do that (I've done it before too), but that said, I think a lot of :reddit-logo: New Atheist types take that too far and make it the defining feature of their chosen personality, the kind of person to say "GOD'S NOT REAL!" during a funeral (or at least fantasize about saying that) to dunk on the normies, only to feel so much ennui and lack of purpose and existential dread that they eventually stumble back into woo by way of :jordan-eboy-peterson: and call it "cultural Christianity" or maybe join a "singularity" cult.
Fwiw I call myself a cultural christian because it feels dishonest to say I have no affiliation with a religion. The primary religion I’ve rejected is christianity and yet my morality is still fundamentally christian because that’s how I was raised. That’s a real different relationship from my relationship with Buddhism, for example.
There’s no woo involved
That's nice. That doesn't quite sound like the Richard Dawkins (or his :reddit-logo: fandom) version of "cultural Christianity" that more or less likes the authoritarian, colonial, and patriarchal side of WASP culture and don't want the inconvenience of the rebel rabbi that said to be nice to neighbors, strangers, and poor people.
Those types carry quite a bit of woo with them too, especially when it comes to white supremacist pseudoscience and "menz are logical, feeemalez are not" biotruths.
Ah I wasn’t familiar with Dawkins’ claim to the term, but I’m not surprised there’s bioessentialism at the end of that path
He declared he was exactly that: culturally Christian. It was part of his descent into chuddery around the same time as the "Dear Muslima" letter. If you want your day to be less pleasant, feel free to look that up.
yeah but Dawkins is one of those people that is actually just a petty mean spirited person that talks a lot of shit to justify themselves. Like Peterson
Everything he says he thinks can basically be ignored as he's making it up as he goes to justify being so unpleasant
I only really use the it's just chemicals argument against the annoying "these drugs are showing me the universe man" hippies. But I mainly find them annoying as they are really boring to talk to as they regularly chemically remove their ability to tell when what they are saying is boring
I mostly don't say things if their only point is to upset my friends
Well you don’t know me or these people or anything about the rapport I have with them so perhaps don’t make judgements.
If they were seriously bothered by my mild ribbing I assume they would stop being friends with me.
Chemicals are just physics are just math is just philosophy is just thought is just chemicals
well that doesn't work because you've linked our understanding of the thing as being the same as the thing itself. we understand physics through math but physics exists independently from our understanding of math
