Planning to fight China to the last Taiwan person :sadness-abysmal:
The US government wants China to invade Taiwan so fucking badly.
Only way to deal with China's position for the US is to destabilize. To do that they need some hot proxy war which drains resources and can be propagandized well. It would also enable more smuggling of weapons into China and have groups use militant means within the country.
What we can see here is how capitalist imperialist nations did always act against competing countries, especially those which leader's tell us that their goal is to reach socialism.
I gotta think that China is still capable of learning from Russia's mistakes, and invading Ukraine (which was never in a million years going to be allowed into NATO) was a pretty big mistake.
Xi and the cpc has been pretty clear that they seek a peaceful reunification with Taiwan, the idea of an invasion has been totally fabricated in the West. What I fear, especially with language like this, is that should peaceful reunification someday come, Western backed separatist groups would launch attacks, and the subsequent fighting would give the West it's chance to declare an "invasion."
y'all way too online this isn't a 'go to war with China we'll totally back you'
its just a lockheed advertisement you can't make this shit up Taipei needs "effective training with the right weapons systems." the phrase arms sales shows up 4 fucking times. motherfuckers love a war because even non-combatants might look at it and perceive they need better hardware, this press circuit is to help Taiwan perceive that and pump some cash into the yankee MIC
Yes it's a Lockheed ad, and a recycled state dept press release from a Pentagon correspondent/stenographer with a history of being embedded with the military as the top line in her about page, and it's from the DC trade rag Politico, and it's clickbait for social media, and it's typical establishment press trash.
But this is like the trash dug up by archaeologists in some ancient abandoned ruin: it tells us important things about the society which created this trash.
ikr when has the mic had any influence in foreign conflicts and invasions
hey i mean they haven't lost yet. but there's no way taiwan would last more than like a week
Right? How they gonna ship weapons to it? No land or borders to send anything across once the Chinese fleet blockades the place.
Can't underestimate the size of their army though. It's comparable in size to Ukraine's army but with a landmass much much much smaller to defend. If it came to fighting it would be really dense.
I don't really think that's true. I think Chinese national security is threatened by any concrete move towards independence and that will hinge upon whether the dial moves in that direction in upcoming elections or whether it swings to the KMT.
Ukraine joining nato is to Russia what Taiwan truly becoming owned by the US would be to China. I do believe they would invade for far less than declaring independence, the US would put missiles and potentially troops there before any declaration.
There's an unsubstantiated theory that Pelosi faked her COVID diagnosis earlier this year as a pretext for canceling her Taiwan trip. The idea is that China told the US that such a visit crossed their red line and threatened to shoot down the plane.
Guess we'll never know, but it seems somewhat plausible given that backchannels between US and Chinese militaries do exist.
The idea is that China told the US that such a visit crossed their red line and threatened to shoot down the plane.
:based-department: Based
I think that the PRC has said officially that it would use force in the case of a unilateral declaration of independence from Taipei, buy has not ruled out military intervention in other cases. I'd be surprised if China wouldn't consider military conflict if Taiwan (for example) decided to host American nuclear missiles.
As for a military coup, the Taipei military notoriously suffers from low morale and readiness. Add to that the fact that many high ranking officers are old school KMT guys who still see themselves as essentially Chinese, the military coup could well cut the other way.
In fact, a retired Taiwanese general made a video of himself recently calling for the Taipei army to surrender to the PRC on the first day of the invasion.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4261383
literally I just typed this comment word for word and then saw yours
According to US media, each Ukranian has personally killed a thousand Russians.
you mean start attacking your own citizens and start a civil war on your superpower neighbor's border? that playbook?
“There is no question that the perceived reality of the possibility [of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan] is greater than it was three months ago,” said Aaron Friedberg, a professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton University.
In our blood hungry, violent minds, they would do this thing that we have no reason to believe they would do at all
like also its just so much for china to potentially lose if they do invade taiwan militarily. if they do it peacefully they get all of those nice semiconductor factories on top of it being the morally right thing to do
They make a huge portion of the world's superconductors and computer chips I think. That alone is reason enough for China not to even want to invade.
I mean I thought similar things about Russia so I'll say that much but I just don't think these are similar at all.
If they do opt for a military intervention, imo Taiwan will either fold near instantly as the island is blockaded and Chinese troops pop up everywhere or they just blockade it and wait
But I sincerely doubt it'll come to that. China isnt Russia. The thing is Taiwan is so close to China that the entirety of the island can be bombed, port striked, and blockaded without landing a single troop
Russia's a little different because they have a land border with Ukraine and there was an active separatist struggle going on near the border since 2014. Taiwan reunification is presently less of a security concern for the PRC vs the Russia situation.
No, probably not, capital will steal the developers, and destroy the fabs.
Depends. Some Chinese corporations (Huawei) are stock-based worker cooperatives and give you insane dividends as a worker. Like, paying better than silicon valley type dividends. If they promised to do that for semiconductors as a forced transition I doubt those workers would go poof because plenty of westerners already wanna work for those chinese agencies cause of the pay.
Obviously there are downsides to stock-based worker cooperatives but its better than the run-of-the-mill corporation
I mean, I’m pretty sure i heard the chip fabrication technologies have some sort of strategic advantage for the west, so they will get in the way of that
It is but that also gives China a lot of leverage, if you mess with that ecosystem even a little itd cause huge shocks to the global economy and it isnt something you can repair fast
I dunno, risking the production capacity of a territory no longer under your influence seems like a thing they’d do, even if fabs elsewhere are years from approaching the capacity these existing fabs have
There's a Dutch company - ASML - that has a virtual monopoly on specialized equipment used in fabs (mostly lithography), and they refuse to sell one of the most advanced models to China under pressure from the West.
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There is a faction of the KMT that supports reunification
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Indigenous people of taiwan prefers the mainlands ethnic policy
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Capitalists love bribes
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Just make the mainland so great that its dumb to be separate
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Afaik the mainland already allows Taiwanese citizens to live there. So you can just drain the population by being better
Well that'd be neat but I feel like the ghouls always choose power and handing over your country doesn't help with that. But maybe in like 20 years the ROC's climate change response is bad enough that they need help from the PRC and unify that way. idk though I really do know nothing about this, it's just uncommon for borders to change peacefully.
That might be true but I feel like a lot of people underestimate how short-sighted capitalists are historically. Lenin wasn't joking when he said the capitalists would sell you the rope to hang them with
Yeah but unless they lose control of the military all it takes is the head of state to just kinda say no, i wanna keep it
Sure, but if you fuck with that ecosystem even a little it can cause massive economy-grinding halts because of how hard it is to develop a high-tech semiconductor ecosystem. So just moving factories even will fuck with it and set the whole thing back decades. Which is why the west is nervous because Taiwan is the biggest exporter in the world
Doesn't matter. If they try to do it peacefully, the world's peacekeeper will step in ;)
Doesn't matter. China has US industry by the balls. Swift castration. US has even said multiple times it wouldn't intervene because of how by the balls China has the USA. A couple of congresspeople tried to do a Taiwan defense act but it gets squashed each time.
US will just frame it as a win and somehow make it so that we get cheaper semiconductors out of it and we'll dust our mitts off and say that freedumb won again
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I don't think "annex" is the correct term when almost all the world's nations recognizes Taiwan as being part of China. It'd be no more an annexation than when Iraq kicked ISIS out and reasserted civil and military control over occupied lands.
But Taiwan is de facto it's own nation now, even if most countries don't officially recognize it.
also with China rising and the USA rapidly sinking, why the hell would Taiwan sentiment over time not follow China even if solely on pure greed.
perceived reality
We're not saying this happened, but we're reporting it.
Fast forward to Chinese troops patiently waiting for the surrender of 2000 Taiwanese fighters in the basement of the TSMC complex.
So is Ukraine actually doing well? Or is the CIA believing its own propaganda? I heard on here that the Javelins were getting destroyed by Russia but here it sounds like they're working well enough to give them confidence that Taiwan could benefit. This is pure Western hubris either way and China isn't the Qing Dynasty or the Republic of China.
if you did nothing but look at the war map like its a paradox game you would think ukraine is making a comeback since russia left the area around kiev, the reality is that russia now has a foothold in the territory it wants to hold and its unlikely there will be much more ground gained or lost either way.
If we're talking paradox they're building up war score by holding the contested territory. Don't know if they've had a decisive major battle to get it over the threshold to sue for peace though.
Plus Zelensky's favorability meter for pressing terms probably has "US Puppet" on it with a billion red minuses which means he wont surrender until the literal last moment
(Preemptive self :jesse-wtf: )
So it looks like the CIA really is buying their own propaganda then.
unlikely there will be much more ground gained or lost either way.
Agree with most of your post but not this part. Ukraine is essentially finite stockpile of many weapons systems (jets, tanks, cruise missiles, etc). Even if the West wanted to supply these big ticket items, it'd take years to get enough Ukrainians up to snuff on the operation and maintenance side. That's why most of the aid that's been sent is pretty point and shoot stuff like man portable missiles. Even the howitzers supplied by the US and Aus had their complex digital fire control systems removed.
Russia, on the other hand, makes most of its own stuff and can keep up resupply (even if at a diminished rate due to sanctions). Given enough time, the Russians should be able to grind down Ukrainian assets until the entity UAF is just light infantry, at which point the Russians can overrun them.
The main question is the political target and Russian public sentiment on where to stop. The former is unknown and the latter varies wildly depending on source.
Probably doesn’t matter. They get to enrich their donors with more arms sales and get a bunch of otherwise sober and rational people to stop thinking about how Bozos and Musk are fucking them over to instead think about how they wish all the people from country X were dead.
I mean every day or so someone posts the news on here with a map or Ukraine and every new map shows Russian advancing so I'd say Russia is definitely doing better
Heroic Zelensky is just luring the Russians further into Ukrainian territory with the lives of Ukrainian citizens so that they can be trapped and wiped out in an ambush by the Ghost of Kiev and Elon Musk in his Iron Man suit.
I think the Pentagon consensus is that Javelins are great in tests but too bulky to actually stock up on. That didn't mean we won't keep trying to sell them though, and they work better in defensive situations anyway.
guys you need to stop making such great memes before i post them to my coworker's discord and get outed and lambasted as a turbo commie
maybe its a personal preference thing but pepe the frog and stone toss references are really... not that great of a meme? that pepe and its placement gave me psychic damage lmao but maybe thats just me
agree with the sentiment tho
man even the memes that would get me outed as a turbo commie tankie are still right wing
god i hate how right wing the world we live in is
Do you think the warmongers in charge of America deal within the reality of how this would actually go, or do you think they're mostly dealing with a cultish reasoning of America can't ever lose? And that also all countries must play within the arbitrary loopholes and dogma of the modern western political climate?
either answer is somewhat terrifying
A Multipolarista interview with Economist John Ross came out a couple days ago. He said something kind of interesting towards the end, that the US has already lost the economic war to China and that the only leverage is actual war. That's kind of terrifying.
https://multipolarista.com/2022/05/20/socialism-china-economy-john-ross/
The goal for the US, if they cannot realistically ensure that Taiwan will remain free from PRC influence, will be to make sure the trillions of dollars of silicon fabrication capital gets destroyed. It wouldn't take a lot.
I think the US policy ghouls are too myopically focused on microchips as their one best vector to strangle Chinese growth. They either haven't considered, or just don't care, about the absolutely devastating impact of the destruction of TSMC on the global economy and lives of ordinary people.
They haven't considered it because it's not like they'd care if they did. I would imagine that in the minds of US policy ghouls, the supply chain prior to raw materials arriving at a fab simply is simply a magic black box that violence goes into and cobalt comes out of.
These moves appear to reflect a shift in policy by the Biden administration. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Mira Resnick and her colleagues briefed the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council in March that the administration would no longer support arms sales for Taiwan “outside their definition of ‘asymmetric’ defense,” according to a Tuesday press release from the council.
They are pretty clearly stating that Taiwan has no chance in a war.
“If your opponent tries to invade you, and every military age man [and] woman is armed, and they have a little bit of training, that can be a very effective use,” Milley said.
to the last person
The diplomatic situation also poses a challenge: Many countries, including the United States, do not recognize Taiwan’s independence from China, while Ukraine is internationally recognized as a sovereign nation, he added.
Mind melter
