:LIB: the article is probably not as bad as the title but their copywriter just lost them an rss subscription

  • MerryChristmas [any]
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    2 years ago

    As sad as this is to say, these shootings happen every day but the police rarely fuck up this bad this publicly. It is absolutely worth politicizing their inaction, their incompetence and their malicious cowardice. What the fuck is the point of spending millions of dollars on militarized the police if they can't even stop one guy in a two hour window? How can anyone justify their existence, especially considering all of the sketchy circumstances surrounding this case? This is absolutely the correct conversation right now and anyone trying to redirect is at best a fascist apologist.

    • Ideology [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      To think I didn't believe, at first, that the first police were primarily slave catchers when it's literally all they're good at.

    • DJMSilver [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      i think you've already figured it out . why is it the police's job to prevent violence? Nobody expects the police to come knocking on proky's door for abuse of workers which is entirely systematic violence. any worker or oppressed minority who've had run in's with the polcie can tell you that. why are school shootings presented as abberations in the world where many colonized countries deal with school violence everyday,. what are the class impulses for this?

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    the guns debate allows liberals and conservatives to ignore the root of the problem, which is the shambles of our neoliberal "democracy". They would rather yell past one another in a culture war debate with no resolution than focus on ensuring people have a roof over their heads, food on their tables, and the confidence that all of it won't be gone tomorrow.

    oh and they also both fucking love police

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        If I could make the dems do one thing it would be to call the republicans' bluff on "mental health" and do a wall-to-wall media blitz about needing to do some common sense mental health legislation

        but that's a silly thing to think about because change isn't something either party wants

  • tagen
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    1 year ago

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    • Ideology [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Evidence is mounting that they shot a civilian and turned into cowards to keep witnesses out of the area. So they're not only useless they make things worse.

      • VILenin [he/him]M
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        2 years ago

        At this point I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out they waited deliberately hoping that all witnesses would bleed out and die.

    • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      joseph robinette brandon will say "give up your guns" and then everybody will politely line up and hand over things worth as much as a car with no or fractional compensation, and then we'll all hold hands and sing songs together

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      I’m curious how the author thinks guns will be reclaimed and destroyed without giving more money and guns to the police

      Australia and Japan managed it with a significantly smaller police budget than we're spending now.

      A lot really does just boil down to strangling manufacturing and commercial sale. Most owners don't take care of their guns, so the outstanding stock declines in usefulness over time. Ammo goes bad after about seven years. Lots of mass shooters are young and don't have immediate access to firearms when they initially develop the inclination to go on a rampage. Restricting manufacture and sale will drive up the price and limit access by economic power.

      From a liberal technocratic perspective, there are a whole host of measures we could enact that would "bend the curve" on gun ownership until owners become too marginal to affect public policy. We do to gun ownership what Republicans have done to abortion rights and tax policy.

      Of course, this all runs contrary to what Leftist Revolutionaries and Anarchists would like. Restricting ownership to a handful of wealthy and powerful organizations sounds absolutely awful, if you believe the modern American state is actively undermining and opposing leftist organizations.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          2 years ago

          A country flush with firearms makes acquisition a smidge easier than one where only a handful of ranking bureaucrats can issue them.

          Flooding a country with weapons is often a prelude to armed revolt.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      (Insecure People Who Parade Around with Guns (the Police) )

      Venn Diagram says they're the problem.

  • Plants [des/pair]
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    2 years ago

    I mean... It's both, obviously, right? The issues are both the police and guns

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    This country will abolish police before it bans guns, and if you're not talking about bans and CONFISCATIONS then you're not talking about shit

    • HeckHound [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Disagree. They aren’t inherently attached to either, they just currently support them because they defend the hierarchy they love more than anything.

      They’ll ban guns in a heartbeat if they think they’re more of a liability than an asset, just look at Reagan and the Mulford Act. And they’ll turn on the police as soon as it’s convient, just like they did at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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        2 years ago

        The country has become significantly more deranged since Reagan and his Mulford act, back then the right-wing may have tolerated limited gun control targeted at Black orgs, but now with the number of guns in the country having quintupled to 400 million and the explosion of right-wing militias since Obama and Trump, the feds are not gonna risk weekly Ruby Ridges and Wacos just for the sake of liberal gun angst

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      2 years ago

      lol not in the least. guns are the toys and comfort items of the petit bourgeois. cops are what actually protect the system. unless you mean privatizing the police, which i could certainly see happening.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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        2 years ago

        Yes, I'm 100% confident this country will turn to wild west justice and paid mercenary subscription services for private property defense before it ever bans or confiscates guns, cause if the feds try and take away those toys and comfort items there will be a Ruby Ridge and Waco every week

        400 million guns and 100 million+ chuds is not something even the MIC wants to take lightly, just by its position in the core and its sheer idiot inertia