• kkitsuragisleftnut [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Tbf people have been spoonfed ideological mush via propaganda from the womb to the tomb and the stuff American three letter agencies do is so cartoonishly evil it can be kind of hard to believe, especially if bombarded with multiple atrocities at once.

    • Fartster [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Its also purposefully mixed in with fake shit about aliens, crystal healing, and associated with Icke, AJ, etc.

      • SaniFlush [any, any]
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        2 years ago

        It IS pretty suspicious that almost all conspiracy theories become antisemitic once they reach a certain popularity threshold.

    • NotALeatherMuppet [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      "you must have gotten that idea from a JASON BOURNE movie, that kind of stuff never happens in real life" - :i-told-you-dog:

    • AntipastoAktion [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Not to mention the three-letter agencies being corrupt and evil is always shown as a one off thing in movies. Oh no, the CIA isn't bad, it's just that this one rogue CIA guy was bad and running a clandestine off the books evil thing! It's up to the Good CIA Guy to stop it, and then everything will be fine!

  • kristina [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    like that one US general admitting that America has cynical geopolitical interests in stopping the belt and road initiative by fucking with xinjiang

    • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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      2 years ago

      I think it's a little misleading to say "the Catholic Church." Some powerful bishops, around 15-20, and their supporters did this. It was not like the Pope sanctioned this activity or the entire church was involved. Yes it's still a blemish on the Church because it wasn't ended with the bishops imprisoned and the nazis executed, but the whole church didn't do it.

      • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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        2 years ago

        If each of those nazi collaborators were not excommunicated, stripped of their bishopric vestments, had the three fingers on their right hand used for blessing people cut off, formally invalidating all of their acts and ordinations, tied up with weighted chains, and cast into the Tiber River to drown - or at least excommunicated and put in prison for life - then every person above those bishops all the way to the pope of the time were nazi sympathizers and should have been shot.

        • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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          2 years ago

          If there are ten people at a table and a Nazi sits with them, and they do not all get up and leave or forcibly remove said Nazi, then you have 11 Nazis at the table.

          Same standard applies to the Ukrainian military.

  • anadyr [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    https://i.imgflip.com/63khqp.jpg

    Libs: :same-picture:

  • Mother [any]
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    2 years ago

    Yeah my brain is completely poisoned now. I can’t even tell what’s real and what’s a deep state plot. Could be everything, could be nothing. Like this January 6 thing, yesterday there’s an article in the New York post of all fucking places saying that the GOP needs to move forward from Trump over the January 6 stuff, which nobody but the most liberal of libs gives a shit about, sure feels like the veil thinning.

    Maybe I’ve gone too far down the rabbit hole on too many of these things, but how can you look at something like Iowa 2016 and not feel like these fuckers have their fingers in everything?

    Pete Buttigieg is a fucking small town mayor with no qualifications and gets thrust into the national spotlight how exactly? Vacationed in Somalia and got a NYT write up about it, had a map of “the resources of Afghanistan” and moves on to win a caucus conducted electronically on an app written by “Shadow, Inc”?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/opinion/31iht-edmyers.1.14914273.html

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the 2020 rounds of BLM protests were mostly orchestrated by the feds, especially the lack of coordination, support and mismanagement of donations nationally, but Occams Razor says it's more likely just libs being libs. Idk, hard to say though when the most of the OG members of BLM were dead after Ferguson.

  • fishnwhistle420 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    And if you ever mention any of this to normal people they will think you’re a conspiracy “theorist” like, mfer, I didn’t theorize any of this, they admitted it

  • crime [she/her, any]
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    2 years ago

    MKULTRA, operation bloodstone, Iran-Contra, Vault 7

    This one's a fun read btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

    • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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      2 years ago

      Iran-Contra has at least penetrated public consciousness to the degree that people don't dismiss it entirely as a conspiracy theory. They don't actually know what it is, but they've herad of it and know it was a scandal, and that makes it a good place to start with a lot of people.

      • OgdenTO [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        What's amazing about Iran contra isn't that it happened, or even that we found out about it (turned in by international "collaborators" as usual) but that anyone was punished (however mildly).

        And it's because the reading they were doing was against a bill recently passed in Congress. Like, they could have done the exact same trading scheme with two different countries instead and it would have been totally fine.

      • star_wraith [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The catch is Americans only know it as "bad" because Reagan sold guns to Iran, not because the CIA was involved in the deaths and tortures of thousands of innocent people.

      • Wertheimer [any]
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        2 years ago

        I knew he was a lib, but the moment I quit watching John Oliver’s show was when he covered the CIA hacking “smart TVs” and said it’s okay, it’s illegal for them to operate inside the U.S.

        • Tormato [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Also when he spent a good portion of one of his shows to impugn Jill Stein, rather than they seen that excluded her from the presidential debates (and out her in handcuffs for showing up).

          Lost me for good.

    • Wertheimer [any]
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      2 years ago

      Hahahaha, they put “Wikipedia editing” on the same scale as Iran-Contra.

  • keepcarrot [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    COINTELPRO was FBI wasn't it? 3 pinocchios!

    Obviously the OG OG, Operation Gladio Installing General Suharto and feeding him kill lists Operation Ajax Killing Allende

    • Washburn [she/her]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      smh my head when will I stop spreading illiberal misinformation 😞

    • RedArmor [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I mean yeah, but you aren’t going to have something at that level and what they were doing without some support or awareness from the CIA.

  • redthebaron [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    the condor one is always funny to bring up because i learned about this in school it is so much common knowledge on latam that my history teacher explained how it happened and also the torture classes the CIA and the MI6 gave to the brazilian junta they even point to how the us torture method was the one that became the base of theirs as they were more of a freestyle cruel behaviour that really jammed with the high officers

  • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    At a party, I told some people that the CIA tried to make a fake prono about Indonesia's president to discredit him. Went as well as you'd expect.

  • BigAssBlueBug [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Yhe more I read about the cia the more I think the gang stalking crowd might be onto somethinf

    • zxcvbnm [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Maybe. We know the FBI loves to entrap vulnerable neurodiverse people.

      • BigAssBlueBug [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Gangstalking would have more credibility if they realized that we're being monitored as a collective, and that only super big or dangerous people get monitored personally, someone like Snowdin, not Billy the carpenter from ohio

  • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Shout-out time! Here’s one for Operation Sea-Spray :amerikkka-clap:

    Actually nvm I think that was the Navy

  • TrudeauCastroson [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't think anyone admitted to Gladio, some of it is only known for sure because Italy made an inquiry on it, but the USA still denies it.

    There's enough other admitted to stuff that I don't bring it up until telling people about the other things like MK Ultra which sounds like super made up Alex Jones shit on the face of it (Kidnapping and brainwashing people with LSD)

    • SaniFlush [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      The movie Jacob's Ladder was based directly on MK Ultra.

      Uh... spoilers