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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • amber2 [she/her,they/them]
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    Americans after finding out 200 Ukrainian soldiers are dying every day, after spending the last 2 years being told that 1000 Americans dying every day doesn't justify closing Cracker Barrel :sleepi:

    • amber2 [she/her,they/them]
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      The cognitive dissonance required to accept a million deaths for the sake of freedom/convenience/The Economy must have broke countless brains, idk if anyone is capable of making moral judgements anymore (not like americans were known for being good at that before)

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      200 ukranians? surely they can take a few hundred more. perhaps they don't love freedom and democracy enough

  • Cowboyitis69 [he/him]
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    2021: Vladimir Zelensky

    2022: Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    2023: Volodolomieyr Zellenskiiyy

    The more lines he snorts, the longer his name gets.

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    Ukraine - The U.S. Is Moving Towards Escalation Moon of Alabama

    TLDR: There's desperation in Europe and the US, both socioeconomically and politically. Biden and several European leaders appear to be wanting peace, while Boris Johnson appears to want the war to continue for its own gain. In order to save himself, Biden might try to invade a country to boost his appeal, but they obviously can't take on China, nor even really Iran, so Syria is one of the only remaining targets; recent events in the Middle East are beginning to suggest that there's something revving up there.

    TLDR the TLDR:

    Biden: "Assad must go!"

    :who-must-go:

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    The catastrophic economic consequences of the 'western' proxy war with Russia are setting in. As a result the high inflation, caused by supply side constrains due to sanctions and a far too much spending, will ruin the middle classes of many countries.

    To those who did not wear blinders and who knew of the real economies of the 'west' and Russia this was very predictable and predicted:

    "The U.S. is pushing its European 'allies' to commit economic suicide by sanctioning everything Russia. The U.S. should be more careful. It is one of the biggest buyers of Russian oil and its aircraft industry depends on titanium from Russia. Russia surely knows who is trying to hurt it the most and it surely knows how, and has the means to, hurt back."

    The hurt has not at all reached its peak. This winter will be very difficult for Europe. Poor countries are even worse off. Many will experience hunger crises and riots.

    Today the Russian president Vladimir Putin held a speech at the Petersburg economic forum. The transcript isn't out yet but here are excerpts from a Twitter thread: [...]

    Every word of that is true. Maybe Putin reads Moon of Alabama as I have made many of those points again and again.

    It will not only be the current elite of Europe that will be replaced. The U.S. will see similar changes. Biden and the Democrats are toast:

    "The survey of 1,541 U.S. adults, which was conducted from June 10-13, found that if another presidential election were held today, more registered voters say they would cast ballots for Donald Trump (44%) than for Biden (42%) "

    "Since Biden took office, no previous Yahoo News/YouGov poll has shown him trailing Trump (though Biden’s most recent leads have been within the margin of error, like this one is for Trump). One year ago, Biden led Trump by 9 percentage points. In 2020, Biden won the White House by more than 7 million votes."

    "Yet Biden’s job approval rating has been atrophying for much of the last year, and the new survey shows that it has never been weaker. A full 56% of Americans now disapprove of the president’s performance — the highest share to date — while just 39% approve. Three weeks ago, those numbers were 53% and 42%, respectively."

    At Asia Times David Goldman sees signs of Biden changing course on Ukraine:

    "A compromise in Ukraine with significant territorial concessions to Russia – the only conceivable way to end the war – would humiliate Washington.

    A negotiated solution to the Ukraine war, though, is not impossible. Washington could continue to portray itself as the defender of Ukraine’s sovereignty while encouraging European leaders to do the dirty work and force Ukraine into negotiations with Moscow.

    A possible hint in this direction came on June 14 from the US Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Colin H. Kahl, who declared: “We’re not going to tell the Ukrainians how to negotiate, what to negotiate and when to negotiate. They’re going to set those terms for themselves.” "

    ...

    But today, without any announcement, the British prime minister Boris Johnson, undoubtedly on order of Biden, appeared in Kiev to lobby for more war just like he did at the end of March when he told Ukraine's president Zelensky to ditch the negotiations with Russia.

    That is why I fear that Michael Brenner is right and that Biden will escalate the war by attacking somewhere else:

    "Necessity is the mother of invention — or so it is said. However, grasping what is “necessary” can be a very slippery business. An actual recasting of how one views a problematic situation normally is a last resort. Experience and history tell us that, as do behavioral experiments.

    So, you are stuck with the albatross of a truncated, bankrupt Ukraine hung around your neck. There is nothing that you can do to cancel these givens — except a direct, perhaps suicidal test of force with Russia. Or, perhaps, a retaliatory challenge elsewhere. The latter is not readily available — for geographic reasons and because the West already has expended its arsenal of economic and political weaponry.

    Over the past year, the U.S. attempted to foment Maiden style regime changes in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Both were foiled. The latter was with the connivance of Turkey, which deployed a contingent of bashi bazouks from the stock of Syrian jihadis it keeps on call in Idlib (to be deployed as President Recep Erdogan did more successfully in Libya and Azerbaijan).

    There remains one conceivable sensitive target: Syria. There, the Israelis have become increasingly audacious in goading the Russians by airstrikes against Syrian infrastructure as well as military facilities.

    Now, we see signs that Moscow’s tolerance is wearing thin, suggesting that further provocations could spark retaliation which Washington then could exploit to ratchet up tensions. To what avail? Not obvious — unless the ultras in the Biden administration are looking for the kind of direct confrontation that they’ve avoided in Ukraine, until now.

    The implication is that the denial option and the incremental adjustment option are foreclosed. Serious rethinking is in order — logically speaking.

    The most worrisome scenario sees the frustration and anger and anxiety building in Washington to the point where it encourages a reckless impulse to demonstrate American prowess. That could take the form of an attack on Iran in the company of Israel and Saudi Arabia — the region’s new odd couple.

    Another, even grimmer prospect would be a contrived test of wills with China. Already we see growing evidence of that in the bellicose rhetoric of American leaders from U.S. President Joe Biden on down."

    The Pentagon is not ready for a war on China. Iran is too strong and would respond to an attack by launching its huge missile arsenal on Israel and U.S. allies in the Gulf. This leaves Syria. It is unlikely by chance that the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that the U.S. is coordinating Israeli airstrikes in that country:

    "WASHINGTON—Israel secretly coordinates with the U.S. on many of the airstrikes it carries out in Syria as the allies face a battlefield crowded with militant groups, Iranian-backed militias and foreign militaries, according to current and former U.S. officials."

    I expect those airstrikes, like last week's attack on the airport of Damascus, to intensify with the hope to divert Russian attention from Ukraine.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      I was close to the character limit so I'm putting this here: I hadn't really considered the fact that the US depleting its arsenal, and without the infrastructure to replace it on a reasonable timeframe, means that an actual invasion of Iran (as opposed to trying to bomb it from above until it submits) becomes increasingly more difficult and impractical as every day in this war passes and every billion dollars is spent on it by the US. Doesn't mean they won't try anyway - these wars aren't really about winning, but more about doing well enough to not cause massive unrest back home but never ending it so the MIC can make huge profits off it - but I had always assumed that an invasion of Iran was very much on the horizon, within the next decade, and honestly I think it could have happened by now if coronavirus hadn't happened.

      But now... I feel like it's getting pushed increasingly far in the future. If this war ends tomorrow then it could still happen within the next five years or decade, but if it really does last for a year or longer, and the US keeps depleting their arsenal in Ukraine for that whole time (necessarily, because how could Ukraine last that long unless they had western arms being piped in), then who knows? Maybe Iran won't be invaded for a long while. Maybe a bombing campaign or something that ends terribly, but no real boots-on-the-ground stuff.

      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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        I wouldn't go that far on the US is running out of weapons idea, this is way too simplistic when you look at what the US is actualy sending.

        It is the same mistake as thinking the US can't fight a war because the F-35s would crash immediately after takeoff or something.

        The support for Ukraine contains a lot of shit that doesn't matter, javelins don't matter, artillery doesn't realy matter because the US could build those very easily if they realy need to. What else is left? Shitty drones and NATO APCs and tanks. Maybe some EU countries would have some problems if they get rid of the tanks, but not the US.

        You see for one thing the only thing I'd say Zelensky is "right" about is that the US support so far is complete worthless shit. Ukraine needs modern fighter jets, even F-16s would do fine. They need modern tanks and APCs not shit from the cold war museums.

        Obviously yes they will never get that, and yes obviously they would need months of training. But this is the truth nonetheless and when you look at what the US army actually uses to fight wars it is modern tanks, APCs, modern aviation, modern artillery and an extremely professional army.

        So the US imo can still fight any war, Ukraine is not a significant factor beyond the MIC grifting.

        Now when it comes to actualy winning a war that is another matter entirely, you know Iran has all the familiar problems of a large somewhat modern capable army and formidable defensive terrain along with a radicalized population. The US indeed would never win an offensive war against Iran.

        But that doesn't mean they can't just go out and try and the point here is that IMO all the media talk about depleting weapon stocks is just media fodder for the benefit of the MIC, you know to simply make it easier to justify more spending, not that the US is actually suffering from this in a truly sensible scale.

        Put it in another way, the US has thousands and thousands of modern tanks and fighters, bombers, obviously the entire navy still intact. Giving away shitty anti-armor missiles isn't going to change that. It is not as if the javelin is the linchpin of the US army or anything.

      • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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        How much material goods is the US actually sending? It looks more like the US is mostly clearing out it's old stockpiles and then also sending a few gee-wiz high tech gizmos for the press to fawn over. Most of the billions the US is spending is going to the MIC in order for them to build weapons to replenish US stockpiles

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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          They've sent a significant amount of their stockpile of Javelins and Stingers, which, as you say, isn't very new stuff, but they are usually reliably good if the people using them have been properly trained and they're fully charged and such. And they're clearly important enough that the US feels the need to build more of them to replenish them, though they say that it'll take over a year to build them back up due to the relative lack of US industry.

          Right now, as I say, I don't think it's a significant factor as to whether they invade Iran - but I could imagine a situation where the US tries to even half-way meet Ukraine's needs of like 1000 howitzers and MLRS systems and so on, and maybe even eventually planes and higher-grade stuff, and Russia decides it really will annex all of Ukraine and we're here a year from now and that operation is still underway and America is still sending arms, then I think you could see the US's stockpiles being depleted enough that a plan to invade Iran in early 2024 to boost Biden's ratings could actually become infeasible. That, combined with the shortages of microchips and the metals needed to build weaponry.

          The main determining factors for me is a) to what extent the US actually wants to make this Russia's Afghanistan vs if they're just about ready to throw in the towel right now, and b) how far Russia truly intends to go. Only the Donbass? Odessa and Mykolaiv? Central Ukraine? All of Ukraine? Another, non-NATO country that gets wrapped up somehow (e.g. supporting Tranistria?) If Russia says "Fuck it, we're taking all of Ukraine" and then America decides that invading Iran isn't really an option for whatever reason (including if they get a nuke) and so decide to go all-in on defending Ukraine, then I think that Ukraine could become a junkyard for American weaponry, vehicles, and perhaps planes. If the war is over in a month then it won't matter either way, as @BynarsAreOk says in the other comment in this thread. Right now, it looks like the US is edging towards desiring a peaceful solution in the near-to-medium term, but if Kiev and Zelensky are actually under threat, does Biden go "Okay, we're doing it, we're sending you a bunch of planes"?

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      It's pretty cool how we get to just launch missile strikes on a country we never declared war on then have the nerve to criticize others lol

    • SupFBI [comrade/them]
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      I don't know that there's much appetite for "boots on the ground" war among the US populace. That could easily change with a false flag of some sort. Exceedingly easy to whip us into a froth.

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Some premium brainworms from the Daily Mail

    'Go on, then, do it!' Putin's Lavrov taunts Liz Truss for saying Russia must be defeated in Ukraine and says 'we are not ashamed of showing who we are' when asked about his country's war crimes

    The Kremlin official, a long-time ally of president Vladimir Putin, goaded Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson, and Foreign Secretary Liz Truss in particular, after she said last month that Russia must be defeated, saying: 'Go on, then, do it!'

    Putin's right-hand man also parroted Moscow's claim that 'Nazis' in Ukraine and the country's growing relationship with NATO were the reasons behind Russia's so-called 'special military operation'.

    Lavrov, 72, has acted as Russia's representative on the international stage for 18 years and has been one of the main spreaders of Kremlin propaganda surrounding the Ukraine war - resulting in Western sanctions being put on him and his daughter.

    In an interview with the BBC's Russia Editor Steve Rosenberg on Thursday, he maintained Moscow's stance that Ukraine was the aggressor, and that Putin had no other choice but to send his forces in on February 24 to 'de-Nazify' the country.

    Ukraine and the West say the fascist allegation is baseless and that the war is an unprovoked act of aggression. The far-right enjoys scant support in the country, and president Volodymyr Zelensky is himself Jewish.

    Western media just straight-up lying at this point. Several main stream western media outlets voiced concern about the growning Nazi problem in Ukrain before the war started. How strange. Very cool and normal. Extra points for the "I can't be racist because I have a black friend" style defence of Zelenskyy

    In an attempt to justify the Nazi slur against the country, Lavrov has previously made the absurd claim that Adolf Hitler himself was Jewish.

    The Nazi slur....

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    Thinking back to early war propaganda, and one of my favorites had to be some ex-pat Ukrainian working for a think tank called like "the Atlantic institute for peace and child sacrifice" talking about how ukrainian tech salaries are actually higher than russian tech salaries because Russians were too patriotic to leave the country so there was less competition for employers. "Russia is such an awful place that people don't want to leave!!"

  • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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    Oh boy 10 am time to wake up and see all the wonderful things my fellow humans have been up to while I was sleeping

  • blurssr [he/him]
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    Congrats to China on the launch of their third carrier Fujian

    :xi-clap:

    • euro_chapo [comrade/them]
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      I'll applaud you President Xi, but i will only LOVE you once you fire a couple of 'em hypersonics at a US carrier group, sir

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    Russian telegram:

    Some excerpts of Putin's speech, at the SPIEF. These sentences might be muddled and a little mistranslated but this is the gist of what he's saying:

    The era of the unipolar world order has ended, despite all attempts to preserve it by any means. After the Cold War, the United States declared itself "God's messengers on earth", without responsibility, only with interests. The elites of Western states are in illusions, clinging to the shadow of the past and denying the changing reality. It is a mistake to believe that the time of rapid changes can be overstayed and everything will return to normal, as it will not be before.

    Gloomy forecasts about the future of the Russian economy — have not come true. Sanctions against Russia are insane and thoughtless. Russia can cope with any challenge and solve, like our ancestors, any task. Spells about the dollar at 200 and other Western forecasts are part of the information war.

    The Russian budget in 2022 will be executed with a surplus of 3 trillion rubles. [53 billion USD, at current exchange rates] The mortgage rate will go down to 7%.

    The sanctions weapon is double–edged. Sanctions can be used against any undesirable state. European companies may also become their target. In the meantime, the EU itself has dealt a blow to its economy. European countries do not conduct any special military operations, and their inflation has increased to 20%. Only direct losses of the EU from the sanctions fever can exceed $400 billion in a year. These costs are borne by people. The EU has finally lost its political sovereignty.

    The Russian military operation in Donbass has nothing to do with the problems of the economy of Western countries. The allegations that the deterioration of the economic situation in Europe is a consequence of the special operation of the Russian Federation are a distortion of facts.

    The United States was a major supplier of food, and now it has turned into a net importer. The States print money and buy products all over the world. The money supply in the USA has grown by 38% in 2 years, in the EU by 20%. The economy of imaginary entities is being replaced by the economy of real assets. And why exchange goods for dollars and euros? Russia is not involved in the rise in energy prices in Europe, it began long before the special operation.

    A possible famine in the poorest countries will be entirely on the conscience of the United States and the European bureaucracy. Russia will prioritize sending supplies to those countries where there is a great risk of famine. They have done things themselves and are looking for the culprits. The miscalculations of Western countries have caused the rise in energy prices and the global energy crisis. Russia would be pleased to hear that it is so omnipotent and it makes everyone feverish, but this is not the case. Russia does not prevent the export of food from Ukraine. There are 5-6 options for exporting Ukrainian grain, let the Kiev authorities decide for themselves how to do it, without focusing on their owners from overseas.

    All the tasks of the special operation in Ukraine will be solved. The key to this is the heroism of Russian soldiers and the consolidation of Russian society. The special operation in Ukraine is a decision of a sovereign country based on the right to defend its security.

    Western sanctions were based on an erroneous thesis. The West believed that the Russian economy was not independent. He did not take into account how Russia has changed in recent years. The Russian economy will be based on openness in its development. Everyone who wants to continue and works with the Russian Federation is being threatened by the United States. However, this means little when real leaders are at the helm of the country, those who think about the sovereignty of their country and the well-being of their population.

    Russia will never follow the path of autarky. Russia's long-term development will be based on entrepreneurial freedom. It is necessary to ensure the development of the economy based on private business, and then remove the administrative burden. We expect that in the near future cargo traffic along the transport corridor will begin to grow steadily. Real lasting success, a sense of dignity and self—respect come only when you connect your future and the future of your children with your Homeland. Russia has a huge potential — invest here, support education, sports and universities.

    Some reserve currencies are committing suicide today. Recent events have confirmed that houses are safer — those who did not want to hear it lost millions. The goal of achieving inflation of 4% in Russia remains. Already this year, it is necessary to achieve a reduction in the level of poverty and an increase in the incomes of citizens, this is the main indicator for assessing the authorities. The basic principle of Russia — to spend as much as they earned — remains. Russia must build technological sovereignty.

    Russia will direct part of the export duties on food to improve the standard of living in rural areas. Import substitution is not a panacea. It is necessary to be one step ahead and create new world standards. It is not necessary to produce anything and everything, but it is important to be able to create critical products. Russian payment system "Mir" has successfully replaced foreign ones and is used in a large number of countries.

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    Mini-update:

    • Looks like civilians are moving out from Azot, and that some of the soldiers are also surrendering.
    • The gas flow to France has been stopped, the gas flow to Italy reduced by 50%. Looks like this is due to the piece of pipeline equipment in Canada still not being available. Apparently Germany and Canada are trying to find a way to bypass their own sanctions to get the piece to Russia.
    • Russia has no plans to switch to paying for oil exports in rubles
    • Scholz, Macron and Draghi, who went to Kiev, non-publicly persuaded Zelensky to negotiate with Russia.
  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    It’s time to start thinking about the endgame in Ukraine WaPo

    The delusion continues.

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    In 1942, Winston Churchill tried to ready the British people for a long conflict. “This is not the end,” he said, referring to the Allied victory in Egypt. “It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” When we think in those terms, what phase are we witnessing in the war in Ukraine?

    We are likely in the middle, explains Gideon Rose, a scholar at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of an excellent book, “How Wars End.” He points out that every war begins similar to a chess game, with a dramatic attack and a defense. If those opening salvos do not produce a decisive victory, the war enters a middle phase, in which both sides try to slog it out to gain advantage on the battlefield. “During the middle phase,” he told me, “neither side is interested in negotiating because each side is trying to win outright, enhance their position on the battlefield, and thus have a stronger position from which to negotiate.” This is the period when emotions run high, making it hard to compromise.

    Finally, at some point, the combatants enter the final phase through one of two paths: Either the tide of war turns irreversibly in one side’s favor (as happened in 1918 and 1944), or an exhausted stalemate emerges (as in Korea in mid-1951). “At that point, the parties enter the endgame, and they start jockeying over the final settlement,” Rose noted.

    In this middle phase that we’re in, the West must help Ukraine strengthen its position. Kyiv needs more weapons and training. While there are real limits to how much the Ukrainians can absorb, Washington (and its allies in Europe and elsewhere) must redouble their efforts. They also need to help Ukraine break the Russian blockade around Odessa. People have focused on the collapse of the Russian economy, which will probably shrink by about 11 percent this year. But Ukraine’s economy is likely to contract by a staggering 45 percent in 2022. Unless the country can export its grain out of its Black Sea ports, it could face economic calamity for years to come.

    Most likely, this middle phase of the war will last for a while. Neither Russia nor Ukraine has the capacity to win decisively, and neither is likely to surrender easily. In the short term, this favors Russia. It has taken control of much of Donbas. And because the West hasn’t completely banned Russia’s energy exports, the Russian government has actually profited during this war. Bloomberg projects Russia’s oil and gas revenue for this year will be about $285 billion, compared with $236 billion last year. Meanwhile, it can now thwart Ukraine’s ability to export. In the longer term, one has to hope that the sanctions will hit Russia harder as the war goes on. At the same time, Ukraine has massive Western assistance, high morale and a willingness to fight to the end.

    Even though we’re not in the final stages yet, it would be smart for Ukraine to start thinking about the endgame. That way, it can develop a coherent position, align its strategy around it and gain international support. Former secretary of state Henry A. Kissinger was criticized for suggesting that Kyiv should not seek to go beyond the pre-Feb. 24 lines on the battlefield. In fact, at this point it appears highly unlikely that Ukraine would even be able to regain all that territory by force, though it should keep trying. But it does seem wise to make that its goal — to reverse Russia’s territorial gains from this year. Then Kyiv can try to get back territories lost before that in 2014 through negotiations. President Volodymyr Zelensky has several times suggested something similar. And that goal — a return to the pre-Feb. 24 lines — would also be one that would garner the most international support.

    In the final phase of the war, the West — and the United States in particular — become the pivotal players. Right now Russia is battling Ukraine directly. But if and when the conflict becomes something of a stalemate, the real struggle will be between Russia and the West. What will Russia give to get a relaxation of sanctions? What will the West demand to end Russia’s isolation?

    So far, Washington has punted on this, explaining that it is up to the Ukrainians to decide what they want and that Washington will not negotiate over their heads. That’s the right message of public support, but Ukraine and its Western partners need to formulate a set of common war aims, coordinating strategy around them, gaining international support and using all the leverage they have to succeed. The goal must be an independent Ukraine, in full control of at least as much territory as it had before Feb. 24, and with some security commitments from the West.

    The alternative to some kind of negotiated settlement would be an unending war in Ukraine, which would further devastate that country and its people, more than 5 million of whom have already fled. And the resulting disruptions to energy supplies, food and the economy would spiral everywhere, with political turmoil intensifying across the globe. Surely it is worth searching for an endgame that avoids this bleak future.

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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          I think there's varying levels of truth for all countries that are sanctioned. The socioeconomic pressure that it exerts will either strengthen a nation and "hone" it to be genuinely more unified (Russia, Cuba, DPRK, etc), not really unify the nation significantly but also not drive it apart at the seams (Iran imo), or cause it to shatter, and this shatter is then exploited in an imperialist invasion of primitive accumulation and profit extraction. That's not to romanticise it, of course, or suggest that spartan living conditions will create strong men that create good times that create weak men that create bad times and that whole theory, just that it's an observable effect.

          Sanctions are almost a weird, triple-edged sword in that sense - they weaken you by default, of course, and they might destroy a nation, but they also might also strengthen it. And the bigger the nation you try to sanction, the more likely that it'll strengthen them into self-sufficiency than destroy them. But to see that, you first have to acknowledge that the goal of countries isn't, or shouldn't be to create infinite capitalist growth, but to provide for their citizens. And that's how western nations might have thought that they were owning Russia in 2014, or in a sense the 1990s, or in the early weeks of this invasion - and then come to realize that actually, if you're looking at the situation in its totality and not just "haha, Russia can't make as much capitalist profit, get fucked idiots", then you have to admit it was a terrible mistake.

    • amber2 [she/her,they/them]
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      But if and when the conflict becomes something of a stalemate, the real struggle will be between Russia and the West. What will Russia give to get a relaxation of sanctions? What will the West demand to end Russia’s isolation?

      I can't imagine the United States setting even mildly reasonable terms to reduce sanctions. I don't remember how the Iran Nuclear Deal worked, but I assume certain sanctions were lifted in exchange for guarantees against nuclear development (a deal broken a few years later by Trump). For the most part, the US doesn't like to negotiate with sanctions, they just use them to kick nations while they're down, inflicting pain for pain's sake

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      But it does seem wise to make that its goal — to reverse Russia’s territorial gains from this year. Then Kyiv can try to get back territories lost before that in 2014 through negotiations.

      Why stop here? Why not also make it a goal to give every man, woman and child in the Ukraine their own pet unicorn?

      What will Russia give to get a relaxation of sanctions? What will the West demand to end Russia’s isolation?

      Yes. This is a very good question to ask. What should the losers demand from the victors in order to stop repeatedly punching their own economies in the balls.

      it is up to the Ukrainians to decide what they want and that Washington will not negotiate over their heads.

      :doubt:

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      This'll be it bro. I swear. look, would I lie to you bro? I swear to god bro, this will be the weapon. Those other times, I made a mistake, but this time, it'll be it, bro. You gotta believe me. This will change the war. Ukraine will get Crimea back with this, bro.

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      aren't those supposed to be attached to a helicopter :walter-shock:

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    China’s military expansion is reaching a dangerous tipping point WaPo

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    Top military leaders from the United States and China met last weekend at a forum in Singapore, where they attempted to manage mounting tensions between the superpowers. But throughout Asia, there’s growing fear that China’s drastic military expansion will soon result in Chinese regional military superiority, which could embolden Beijing to start a war over Taiwan.

    That sense of urgency was palpable at last week’s Shangri-La Dialogue, an annual conference of diplomats, officials and experts from across Asia, organized by the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies. Over three days of discussions, a common sentiment emerged: China is racing to become the dominant military power in Asia in the next few years — and if it succeeds, Beijing is likely to use force to attempt to subdue Taiwan’s democracy. Russia’s attack on Ukraine has dispelled any notion that revisionist dictatorships can be deterred by anything short of a superior opposing military force.

    In recent years, Chinese President Xi Jinping has said that China plans to achieve military parity with the United States in Asia by 2027. As the Chinese military advances in both technology and territorial presence, leaders in the People’s Liberation Army are now openly threatening to attack Taiwan and promising to fight anyone who attempts to intervene. Beijing is speeding up its plans, and the United States risks falling behind.

    In Singapore, I interviewed Adm. John C. Aquilino, the head of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, who described what he’s seeing as “the largest military buildup in history” — with growing Chinese arsenals of both conventional and nuclear weapons. Aquilino said Beijing is attempting to establish regional hegemony and change the international order in Asia. China wants to be in a position to dictate the rules and use its military without fearing any constraints.

    “I only see their efforts accelerating,” he said. “I see advanced capabilities that are being delivered more quickly than we would have expected. … Their goal is to have parity with the United States to ensure that they can’t be deterred.”

    China is building the capability to use nuclear blackmail to deter a U.S. intervention if it invades Taiwan, following Russia’s model. China’s regional military presence is expanding, including a secret naval base in Cambodia and a secret military cooperation agreement with the Solomon Islands. China has developed new technologies, including hypersonic missiles and antisatellite lasers, to keep the U.S. military at bay in a Taiwan scenario. And now, China no longer recognizes the Taiwan Strait as international waters.

    China’s increased military confidence is reflected in its ever-more-belligerent rhetoric. After meeting with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in Singapore, Chinese Minister of Defense Wei Fenghe gave a speech in which he promised, “China will definitely realize its reunification” with Taiwan. If anyone tries to stand in the way, he went on, “we will not hesitate to fight. We will fight at all costs.”

    In his speech, Austin attempted to reassure the region that the United States was committed to maintaining its leadership in Asia. But diplomats and experts in Singapore could not help noticing a gap between what the United States is saying and the resources Washington is committing to the effort.

    New research investments the Pentagon is making today won’t bear fruit for several years. U.S. shipbuilding plans are woefully underfunded. The United States’ new trilateral alliance with Australia and the United Kingdom (known as AUKUS) won’t result in providing Australia with nuclear submarines until the late 2030s.

    ...

    Maintaining the U.S. military advantage in the Indo-Pacific region will be neither easy nor cheap. Urgent tasks include dispersing more equipment and personnel to more places, hardening existing outposts such as Guam, increasing training and equipping of allies, and drastically increasing military support to Taiwan for its self-defense.

    Meeting military escalation with escalation brings real risks that must be managed, not ignored. But the costs of war if China concludes it can take Taiwan easily would be exponentially higher. The United States doesn’t have the luxury of waiting until the next decade to counter China’s military expansion in Asia. As George Washington said in his first speech to Congress in 1790, “To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.”

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      revisionist dictatorships

      Washington Post embraces Gonzalism.

    • Ursus_Hexagonus [he/him]
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      U.S. shipbuilding plans are woefully underfunded

      :citations-needed: gotta make sure people are okay with extra money for the poor MIC

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      China’s military expansion is reaching a dangerous tipping point

      alexa, bring up the amount of money that US spent on the military and compare that to China

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        But the Chinese are cheating by using their military spending on the military instead of lining the pockets of MIC grifters.