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Stalin was joking becuase he wanted to execute 500,000, Roosevelt was joking becuase he only wanted to execute 25,000.
But Churchill was genuinely really pissed they were joking about executing his friends.
You joke but this was around the time he was coming up with the insanity that was operation unthinkable . So he probably WAS genuinely pissed they were taking away his proposed extra manpower to fight the Soviets.
During World War II, Nazi Germany engaged in a policy of deliberate maltreatment of Soviet prisoners of war (POWs), in contrast to their general treatment of British and American POWs. This policy, which amounted to deliberately starving and working to death Soviet POWs, the bulk of whom were Slavs, was grounded in Nazi racial theory, which depicted Slavs as sub-humans (Untermenschen). The policy resulted in some 3.3 to 3.5 million deaths.
the cold blooded execution of soldiers who fought for their country
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With the country in question being Nazi Germany, I don't understand what his point was.
He was probably worried about UK colonial holdings citing that action as justification to do the same to them. :ukkk:
also was probably afraid that without the German army being rebuilt, Stalin would not have stopped at Berlin.
That is also a good point. I wonder...how many cousins did Churchill have in the German officer corp? :soviet-hmm:
Liberals think patriotism is inherently good
unless it's a brown country
I really like the Stalin-Roosevelt friendship, especially whenever they made Churchill mad.
"They were PATRIOTIC socialists, not NATIONALIST socialists"
HazChurchill
Churchill is an absolute blowhard who by honest evaluation of his career is an incompetent trash, UK in WW2 was legitimately useless and only have its position in the current public consciousness because of the effort of their nationalists overblowing their contribution.
Dunkirk was a disaster that lead to the fall of France because the Brits retreating there leave a massive gap allows the Germans to blitz Paris, they bombed the French fleet that would've defected anyway and serves only to legitimize the Vichy, the defense of their Southeast Asian colony was a disaster, Dieppe raid is basically Gallipoli 2, the African front is an irrelevant sideshow overblown by western media, Market Garden is a blunder that is also whitewashed by the media, and the RAF strategic bombing campaign is a self-admitted act of mass murder against civilians that objectively have no effect on Germany's war capability.
And of course his genocide of India. Seriously, fuck Churchill. He would've allied with the Nazis if he could.
The Germans were doing it, and that they were doing it in Europe instead of Africa and Asia like the British themselves
CW: Colonial violence
"First we must study how colonization works to decivilize the colonizer, to brutalize him in the true sense of the word, to degrade him, to awaken him to buried instincts, to covetousness, violence, race hatred, and moral relativism; and we must show that each time a head is cut off or an eye put out in Vietnam and in France they accept the fact, each time a little girl is raped and in France they accept the fact, each time a Madagascan is tortured and in France they accept the fact, civilization acquires another dead weight, a universal regression takes place, a gangrene sets in, a center of infection begins to spread; and that at the end of all these treaties that have been violated, all these lies that have been propagated, all these punitive expeditions that have been tolerated, all these prisoners who have been tied up and interrogated, all these patriots who have been tortured, at the end of all the racial pride that has been encouraged, all the boastfulness that has been displayed, a poison has been instilled into the veins of Europe and, slowly but surely, the continent proceeds toward savagery.
"And then one fine day the bourgeoisie is awakened by a terrific reverse shock: the gestapos are busy, the prisons fill up, the torturers around the racks invent, refine, discuss.
"People are surprised, they become indignant. They say: 'How strange! But never mind — it’s Nazism, it will pass!' And they wait, and they hope; and they hide the truth from themselves, that it is barbarism, but the supreme barbarism, the crowning barbarism that sums up all the daily barbarisms; that it is Nazism, yes, but that before they were its victims, they were its accomplices; that they tolerated that Nazism before it was inflicted on them, that they absolved it, shut their eyes to it, legitimized it, because, until then, it had been applied only to non-European peoples; that they have cultivated that Nazism, that they are responsible for it, and that before engulfing the whole of Western, Christian civilization in its reddened waters, it oozes, seeps, and trickles from every crack."
The British Empire had more industrial capacity than both the US and USSR combined, yet its productive output fell short of either, all because Churchill wanted to protect the sanctity of le market, even as London was getting pummeled.
It’s why I find it funny how right wingers seem to have a hateboner for FDR for doing the opposite. If he had the same approach as Churchill, war would have ended later, with the US being unable to take advantage of post-war Europe as quickly as it did (assuming the Soviets don’t take Paris).
I mean what is even funnier is that the right's greatest allies, billionaires like the Koch's, wouldn't exist without the shoveling of money the government did to the private sector as a part of centralizing WWII oil production.
The British didn’t expect a night attack to happen since they thought Japanese eyes wouldn’t see effectively at night :lmayo:
Imperial Japan belongs in the ash heap of history and I won’t hand it to them but I do find it funny how they one-upped the Anglos after being underestimated because of racism. There’s a reason American propaganda towards Japan was especially vicious and racist.
And he never forgave Cunningham for refusing to sink the French fleet. ABC was the better man and better leader and Churchill could do nothing about it, it infuriated him
the historiography around operation catapult is fucking hilarious actually, 'it demonstrated the british willingness to keep fighting to the americans' fucking LOL. churchill wanted sommerville replaced bc he wasnt as bloodthirsty as well and had objections about blasting the french. everything libs accuse stalin of doing as a military leader (interfering with command staff, trying to sack competent officers for stupid reasons) churchill did.
He also allegedly wanted to get my other beloved boy of the Royal Navy, Captain Leach court martialed for refusing to needlessly kill his men during the Battle of the Denmark Straits. The Mighty Hood fucking explodes, Bismark and Prinz Eugen are bearing down on him, of course he lived to fight another day and joined reinforcements he knew would be on their way so he could give chase in numbers. Pound for sure wanted him axed and Churchill anecdotally was at the very least livid. Tovey claims he threated to flat out resign as First Sealord if they tried that and would submit himself as character witness. Maybe he was mistaken in his memory, but it is certain Churchill wanted needless deaths there, telling Tovey to keep HMS King George V in battle "Bismarck must be sunk at all costs ... even if it ... means towing King George V". when she was low on fuel and exposed to possible U-Boats. Tovey says he would have disobeyed and been court martialed if ordered to follow through with that BS.
Churchill was a menace and just about everyone who worked with him loathed him
I don't think he would have ever allied with the Nazis but not because they were fascist, just because they were German and he saw them through the lens of inter-inperialist conflict a la WW1, those dirty Germans were setting out to steal UKs place as top imperialist dog.
It may be just that I haven’t read enough of their interactions but it def seems like FDR got along more with Stalin then he did Churchill. Genuinely wonder what would have happens if he had lived a bit longer or if the conservative Dems hadn’t been able to oust Wallace as VP
It's a historical what-if I've always wondered about. Obviously :amerikkka:, and capital would've done the same things either way, but at the same time, I wonder how differently things might've gone if the political leadership in the US had been at least willing to treat the Soviets as potential partners. Probably didn't really matter and it's probably Great Man :brainworms: to think otherwise but still.
still might have bought the Soviet Union more time. Or done something weird and icky like lead to a socdem farmer-labour U.S. partnered with a market socialist USSR
Or done something weird and icky like lead to a socdem farmer-labour U.S. partnered with a market socialist USSR
Still sounds 10000% better than the hellworld we were born into
oh absolutely. better chance of actually getting world communism then the state we are in now no doubt,
One of my most haunting personal fantasies is if we'd buddied up hard with the Soviets, not had the Cold War, and become something of an AES state around the late 60s-early 70s. We would have been so fucking good at it too. :angery:
From much of the readings of first hand accounts, Stalin's dry and pragmatic straightforwardness went rather well with FDRs smooth charismatic wittiness while Churchill was an emotional drunk romanticist that didn't mesh well with Stalin's bluntness at times and saw a sort of kindred spirit in FDR - who seemingly put up with Churchill's emotive personality.
Dynasty Warriors but it's the Eastern Front and you play as Stalin
you lob the bombs he used to rob banks as your ranged weapon and wield a sword that's larger than your horse. the sword is named socialism and you have to go through a vision quest to unlock it. this has legs.
Churchill: "those [Nazi officers] are a surprise tool that will help us later."
Lmao calm down Churchill you fucking nerd
More like Chur no chill amirite
