There must be some type of large scale lobotomization programs under way.
Edit: grilling and drinking and hanging with friends is not celebrating the holiday, it's just having a party.
Celebrating the 4th of July means like the lib bougie civic-minded patriots who buy little flags and wave them and shit and think about how great america is (these are the zombies I was talking about: the nerd ass people who are still generically patriotic but not fash/chuds in this current political environment). Then there are the fash/chuds who celebrate it because "murica #1" and "we kill the most people" and "we just outlawed roe vs wade" etc etc.
Barging in on a random family's Christmas dinner and explaining to them how brainwashed they are to celebrate Christmas while fundamentalist Christians are dismantling our civil rights in the supreme court
The fourth has always been pretty explicitly nationalist though
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Using a day off to barbecue with your friends and family is cool and good. Log off
Death to America
Says death to america in every post, but celebrates fourth of july :thonk:
Spending a three day weekend alone in my room to own the Patriots
Death to America
Oof I didn't realize you were being serious. Imagine believing grilling in your backyard with your friends is somehow problematic because of the date on the calendar
Death to America
Of course I'm being serious. Death to America doesn't mean "Death to America in ways that are convenient to me. This is a nationalist day celebrating a country that destroys countless lives overseas and within its border. I'm not going to sit at home and do nothing this weekend. I'll spend time with friends, none of whom celebrate the this toxic holiday
none of my friends are celebrating the holiday either. It's just an excuse to get together and drink in the sunshine. It's not like I'm gonna be hanging American flags everywhere and making people recite the pledge of allegiance, it's not all that deep
Death to America
Don't know why you're trying to moralize about hanging out with your friends but whatever makes you feel good I guess
Death to America
As someone who had nothing to do with this discussion until now, I really don't get what your point is. Is this a bit? Because it seems to me like you're both on the same page (and are planning similar activities, even), and yet you started this thread by saying he celebrates the fourth
I'm definitely not planning the same activities. I'm criticizing people planning fourth of July celebrations which many people in this thread seem to be doing (including the person I'm arguing with). Celebrating and having big events on this day is inappropriate and gross
He's going to spend time with friends and family. You're going to hang out with friends. Is it the "and family" part that makes it a nationalist celebration as opposed to a righteous anticapitalist gathering?
This really isn't that hard to get so idk what's going on here. Having a fourth of july event is celebrating the fourth of july. I never said I was having some event. As far as I'm concerned everyone here having a cookout with friends and family is having a fourth of july celebration and my mind won't be changed on that
Fair enough, but it seems like an odd thing to get worked up about. I feel like Thanksgiving is a better holiday to give people shit about (but then, I hate pretty much every single part of the traditional meal, so I have historically fed myself on dinner rolls on that day).
That's really not what I'm saying. I think a lot of people took this thread very seriously and felt called out, but nobody is talking about not spending time with friends (ncluding me!). Im saying avoid nationalist celebrations and events
I think some people should self crit as to why they felt so strongly called out by OP's post
yeah people really didn't get it. celebrating the holiday means being a patriotic little worm. not grilling or whatever the fuck, that's just having a party.
Counterpoint: I'm grilling on the boss' time with American flags as charcoal :grillman:
celebrating any opportunity to be freed from the crushing daily grind ye
or maybe people don't really care about the meaning of a holiday and enjoy their day off from working
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It's an excuse to grill and be with your family. They don't do those things in countries without a fourth of July.
Getting drunk and exploding shit with your friends is fun. It's the same shit as christmas for not crhistians in america
I'm not American but if I lived there I would still take it as a reason to grill and drink with my friends :shrug-outta-hecks:
Most people "celebrate" 4th of July like they "celebrate" Christmas. They primarily like the free day off and the opportunity to spend time with friends and family in an increasingly atomized society. The 'Merica/Jesus stuff takes a backseat and is mainly just window-dressing for that tbh.
I am the General Secretary of my grill and I have a 5-hour plan to complete these vegetarian dishes :grillman:
