And like incels, they are def not having sex. Do you have a better simile/metaphor for batshit prolifers? If so, leave it in the comments.
Pro-life women are usually repressed older women from weird religious backgrounds that have like 20 kids and a lot of internalised misogyny
I was going to say this. They can also (rarely) be young religious lunatics.
It’s really not that rare in rural areas and they’re not all particularly religious. I’m related to a whole bunch of them.
came here to say this, they are the female equivalent to MGTOW weirdos
idk bout this one. female incels are the female equivalent of incels, they exist and, as far as im aware, incels literally got that word from a woman who described herself that way
Pro life
OK with abortion till the second month
Uuh,
Maybe I was a bigot all this time but I thought being pro legal abortions till X months was cool and good cuz idk aborting a fetus at 8 months sounds "weird", unless the parent life is at risk, the fetus is inviable, etc, etc, you get my point.
But yes, two months sounds too restrictive.
The problem with drawing a line at x months is that it leaves the door open wide enough for reactionaries to get in and keep pushing it lower. That's how we got to the point where we are in the US where it's just being banned outright.
Yeah, plus, ¿who really is gonna have an "avoidable" abortion at high stages anyways?
Most doctors will refuse to perform a late-stage abortion unless it's for serious medical reasons. They're not great.
That said, A woman should be able to abort at any stage for any reason.
My bad, it's 3 months. But it comes with conditions that need to be fulfilled.
Eh restrictive. Here in Arg abortion (not related to r*pe, and health conditions, those were already "legal") was recently legalized up to 3 months.
It was a win, plus the focus of the law was ensuring free access and making sure the dipshits that didn't allowed abortions even in cases already legal (medics / public authorities / religious dickheads / etc) had less chances of keep denying abortions.
Of course, the local priests / public authorities of a small town will keep being dickheads, but the public hospital at said town must perform the abortions.
I don't think that's true. Something like a third of American women are anti-choice, typically because of their religious convictions. That is, their political beliefs are a function of their involvement with their community. Incels have a much more simple hatred of women and people in general, usually because of their isolation from any real community. Also there actually are female incels who, if anything, lean more radfem (in the sense that their first principle is hatred of men), and are generally pro-choice.
I would push for a broader definition, just because there's a fair amount of overlap between male incels and pro-lifers also. Also, Incel's broadly claim to want "sex"....but I've always found the fact that they consider sex workers and their patrons an anathema super revealing. I think, probably more than even they realize, Incels actually crave intimacy and connection more than "sex".
If that's accurate than "female incels" are basically just incels...regardless of whether they have "sex". The ways in which they are problematic and toxic just differ because of societal expectations and gender roles.
Incels actually crave intimacy and connection more than “sex”
This is how I have always viewed it as well. It's a deeply internalized toxic and self loathing worldview that leads them to view these things as transactional while also hating that they think that way and being unwilling to accept that.
What they want isn't the sex per se, but what they want is to be judged as worthy by a woman. They want to be a man she wants to have sex with. To be worthy.
They're not. Instead they get nothing but disgust reactions from women. That's got to do a number on your head after a few years.
Yeah... it sucks living in a society where women's approval is necessary for men's self-esteem. Shitty situation for both groups.
Ehh.... I'm aware of MGTOW, but from what I've seen they talk about women in the same bitter, derogatory way as incels. There's gotta be a better way to cope with this stuff than becoming an anti-feminist.
I mean, my general belief is this: gender is a system that exists in society to coerce people into performing different functions necessary to the social structure. For example, one function men are required to perform is wage-labor. Men are granted less sympathy and support in society (male expendability) in order to force them to labor. Men who labor are rewarded with varying amounts of money and status (often moreso than female wage-laborers, because wage-labor is a male function). Men who do not labor are shamed and abused.
Men and women both suffer different harms and enjoy different benefits from this system. Women sometimes benefit from sexism at men's expense. People don't really want to talk about this, but they should. We should be able to talk about institutional misogyny and institutional misandry without being at odds with each other.
This system isn't men's fault, and it's not women's fault. It's a system that victimizes people of all genders, and people of all genders should work together in trying to dismantle it. Feminists aren't men's enemy in this respect. They aren't always respectful in the way they talk about/to men, but they are doing important work. Especially intersectional feminists, as their work for LGBTQ+ rights and racial justice directly benefits LGBTQ+ and non-white men.
As for what I'd say to men who've been harmed by women, I'd say, just try to be empathetic. Remember that women are suffering too, in their own ways. And try not to become bigoted against all members of [X group] because of something one of them did to you. Whether that's a racial group, a gender, a sexual orientation, or whatever. I'd also say I love you. I love men, I love being around them, I love the way they are. I want to support men when they need it.
Look, I'm someone who struggles with this same exact issue, and I'm trying to tell you my worldview that has helped me be less angry at women. If you don't want to hear it, why did you ask?
Because I'm trying to brainstorm ideas that work. I was serious about letting me know how your idea works out, though. I'm honestly curious to find out.
They partly wanted to be validated by a woman, but they really want to be validated by a woman that their guy friends think of as attractive. Something about being robbed of "manhood".
I don't really think that's true. In fact almost all the men I know don't even introduce their girlfriends to their guy friends, and there's a documented tendency for men who get in an LTR with a woman to withdraw from their male friendships altogether. It's definitely much more about wanting women's approval than wanting other men's approval.
that's definitely the case. Sex is a source of pleasure for sure, but it is deeply tied with intimacy. The difference between a guy with no game and an incel is the guy with no game has support in his life, an incel, often by their own actions but sometimes just because life sucks, has no one.
I remember my friend making fun of me in grade school because I had more siblings than him and that meant that my parents had sex more times than his did. I felt super owned at the time.
Plot twist his parents were super freaky they just used contraceptives.
Oh the narrative definitely shifted once he figured out what his parents meant by their "little miracle." They were infertile, old and never planned on having bio kids.
The most anti-abortion woman I know also happens to be the most sex-negative.
Like most people already said, they're not the female answer to incels. Femcels exist and are quite literally the same, being racist and misanthropic because they can't get a good man. Pro-life women are the counterpart to pro-life men. Being Catholic, I know a lot of them at many ages and places in life. Big Joel's video about the pro-life movie will give you the best idea of what that mindset is.
no apparently there is already a term for female incels: "femcels" and I've actually heard it used in real life. Was at a party and some random girl was criticizing the interior decor of the host's bedroom saying it looked "femcel"
some random girl was criticizing the interior decor of the host’s bedroom saying it looked “femcel”
:jesse-wtf:
it was like old movie posters and some like pin-up like art. I thought it looked dope, maybe it's because we were both stoners. Everyone else just kinda laughed it off but I don't think the host liked it (understandably)
"Every sperm is sacred. Conception begins in the balls, but not the balls of the person having sex, his father's balls." -Pope Fucko Boingo II
-Every catholic on Facebook
iirc, the term incel was invented by a woman as a self description.
"Ever notice how the people who are against abortion, are the ones you wouldn't wanna fuck anyway?" -George Carlin
"Ever notice how [group I don't like] is unfuckable?" -everyone, ever
Anyway, we shouldn't judge people based on how much sex they do or don't have. Pro-lifers have plenty of sex. The bad thing about them is that they're asshole religious zealots.
My Catholic sister in law with 10 kids has something to say about this.
I think a better comparison would be to the person who drinks alcohol and then drives, regularly. "Hey, I've never gotten into a wreck!" When what they really are experiencing is that they haven't gotten into a wreck, yet.
