• PKMKII [none/use name]
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    8 months ago

    Look, if you take the total human population and look at how many are British evolutionary biologists, it’s an infinitesimal percentage, practically nothing. So we can discount the existence of Richard Dawkins.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    8 months ago

    what i'm hearing is that there are greater genders that we have not yet had the bravery to discover

  • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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    8 months ago

    It kinda boggles my mind that an evolutionary biologist and atheist has their knickers in a twist due to intersex, trans, and non-binary gender. Bro, if god isn't real, the world is a fucking chaotic mess that decides what does and doesn't work for weird and abstract reasons, and the social construction of God, and binaries are what stop us from advancing. Can you please move the fuck on from people's genitals? You sound like a fucking deacon at a church, you weirdo.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      It's because he's still into patriarchy, and patriarchy requires clear delineation between men and women, without any room for any other concepts. Look up how Dawkins responded to Elevatorgate. The guy's a misogynist and that's probably the root element for most transphobia.

      Dawkins is a racist too. Look into anything he says about Arabs.

      • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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        8 months ago

        I'm familiar with Elevatorgate, that shit is/was beyond stupid. Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris carried so much water for tolerance of the Iraq War on anti-religious grounds, which is ironic because so many people were grossed out by George W. Bush's declaring this a holy war against terrorism and using crusader language.

    • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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      8 months ago

      Unfortunately there are scientists who will ignore the parts of science they don't like when it suits them.

      Also there are ones who are just plain self serving assholes. Like the ones that pretended that lead or teflon was safe because it gave them a paycheck.

      • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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        8 months ago

        Yeah he shoulda raised flags in the Atheist community when he was like "I still like religious music and religious inventions".

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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        8 months ago

        He did and he didn’t even mean it right because he’s a fucking idiot. 99% of western atheists are “culturally Christian” because we grew up in a Christian society and still celebrate Christmas

  • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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    8 months ago

    Biological sex is a fucking mess and the roughly 2% estimate that chuds freak out about is itself a very conservative estimate. The load bearing cope that leads them to denying even this is the belief that conditions like Klinefelter syndrome or Turner syndrome shouldn't be counted as intersex conditions. Diagnosis rates are also incredibly low, largely because of bigotry.

    The reality is that not only is the scope of which conditions are considered intersex far too restrictive (even where the 1.7-2% estimate is reached), but these conditions are massively underdiagnosed. A more realistic and all-encompassing view of intersex conditions with an accurate diagnosis count should result an incidence rate of around 5% of the global population, with rates somewhat higher in some communities.

    People cannot handle this reality because it destroys their world view.

    • huf [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      yeah but the part i've always stumbled on is... how? i grew up in europe for fuck's sake, what did i miss in brainwashing class that i was never able to see it as a pillar of my entire worldview. like, even if you dont give a fuck at all, all it comes down to is are we gonna make 2-5% of the population deeply unhappy or are we not going to do that? how does this become a core of your identity for fuck's sake....

      • CarmineCatboy2 [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        Personally? Propaganda.

        Take flat earth people for an instance. They maintain that the round earth is a concept which invalidates the bible. Such a thing doesn't even register in the average christian's brain. It's simply not a challenge to their beliefs in any way. However, someone can be born into a flat earth cult and be indoctrinated since birth, or fall into such cults and convince themselves that basic astronomy is a war against Christendom itself.

        With LGBTQ+ people you have a fertile ground for hateful propaganda. It's centuries old and public opinion on even the most innoffensive gay white liberal person changed massively in just a few decades. But I maintain that people have to be mobilized to hate trans people - a concept that a lot of older people can some times barely understand - and ALSO to make it a core to their entire personality. Which is why anti-trans politicians are always on the lookout for ways to make it a relatable issue, like with fairness in sports.

    • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      It can simply not be a mess for most if people are left to their devices and given every resource to consensually deal with the problems they have!

      Like, hey, dawkins, watch me NOT get triggered over a persons gender and secondary sexual characteristics... there! heart-rate is normal, so is blood pressure! all it took was letting people do what they want with something intimate to themselves and really only knowable to themselves.


      real getting scared of one's own shadow energy

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    The problem your point here has is hydrogen can't be helium

    That doesn't even have anything to do with the point, the point was that you can't just say something doesn't exist because you arbitrarily decided there's not enough of it. If there was one unicorn in the world, would you say unicorns don't exist?

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      By that logic, we should just eradicate the rich because they're statistically insignificant and don't really exist if you cut off your axis.

      • ReadFanon [any, any]
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        8 months ago

        These people are constantly preoccupied with the thought of people cutting things off and yet they'll lop off an axis without one moment's hesitation. Curious!

    • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      Hydrogen can become helium too. Regardless, talk about stretching the metaphor

  • betelgeuse [comrade/them]
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    8 months ago

    Always fun when an evolutionary biologist is like "No we actually can fit everything into neat human categories with no outliers or anything. Because statistics."

    • Taster_Of_Treats [none/use name]
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      8 months ago

      Especially one as supposedly rational and scientific as Richard Dawkins, completely unaware that he's in his feelings and afraid of having to acknowledge that something he takes for granted is complicated, actually.

    • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      Anyone have anything on dawkins talking about species? I'd love to hear his take, and see which school of thought in the philosophy of science he leans towards.

      Obviously it's NOT the one where it's argued that the species designation is best understood through parsimony, it has to be that there is a viable offspring (and all this only words for sexually reproducing organisms, which is... hmm a rather small minority!) wait no, ok the offspring needs to be able to have offspring, wait no that doesn't work OK at least second generation progeny need to be able to reproduce!!

      Ask him to point to a species, he operates as a rationalist and leans on empiricism. He'll point to a member of a population, or a subpopulation, and never a species. His rationalism is a vulgar rationalism which operates on rudimentary syllogistic logic (ask 'em to solve a paradox or contradiction without dialectics, and with his true false cartesian logic) which really is idealism. Comrades will probably know this, but for further reading Lenin gives a thorough rebuke in his Materialism and Empirio-criticism, really get to see Lenin the philosopher in full force.

      He, Pinker, Dennett, and Harris are sophists. Peddling their 'knowledge' to the highest bidder. Whatever respectable scientific work they did was during a different era. Without the opulence afforded to members of the imperial core they would have nothing.

  • jayWL@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    "Hydrogen can't be helium"

    WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU THINK HELIUM CAME FROM, THE DEPTHS OF MY ASSHOLE?

    • fox [comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      Most of the helium was sort of there from the get-go at about the same time hydrogen showed up. But he's a real ding dong because every element in his body (except the hydrogen) was another element once

  • Taster_Of_Treats [none/use name]
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    8 months ago

    It's cool how checks notes Richard Dawkins singled out intersex as the only legitimate non binary/trans identity in order to minimize the existence of trans people just because it makes it look smaller on the graph.

    Wow hes so fuckin objective, I'm sure because he's so rational there's no way there's an ulterior motive for making this point.

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    8 months ago

    One of the first things you learn about chemistry is that elements are literally all the same shit that can completely change their element by exchanging electrons. Edit: protons, fuck me.

    Motherfucker how do you think rust is formed.

    • ReadFanon [any, any]
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      8 months ago

      This implies that to be trans is to be a gender alchemist and that therefore trans people are golden.

      Choke on that one, Cissies.

      • SnowySkyes
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        8 months ago

        My vial of estradiol is the philosopher's stone.

        • kristina [she/her]
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          8 months ago

          Commiting war crimes and putting everyone's soul into the vial so I can transition

      • SSJ2Marx
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        8 months ago

        assigned lead at birth

    • fox [comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      Elements change by proton count, iirc, and they're generally not very happy about it. Much less concerned about tossing their electrons around

  • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    Indeed, hydrogen can't be helium (except in the case of bigender comrades): that's why trans women are women, not men; and trans men are men, not women. Glad everything is understood.