https://archive.ph/wip/A3N1A
https://www.reddit.com/user/91Uhtred
I sometimes do not understand the hate that people have towards JP.
I like JP’s social views on relationships, habits, parenting, men & women, etc. and he’s one of the most renowned psychologists in the world. Why so much hate? Genuine question.
Thanks
Any woman that disrespects a mans intellectual freedom is the worst kind of bigot who doesn't love or respect you in any way shape or form. She might not be capable of love. Step back, take a deep breath, and thank your lucky stars she's gone.
By the gods, this is some of the most derranged shit I've ever read.
if a ma'am ever rejected me like that i'd say "your literally being illogical but feel free to cite even a single source" and she wouldnt and everyone would love me not her making me the winner
All fun and games until she does her PhD thesis on how much of a loser her last date was.
I think there has been a split since the Up Yours video that caused some of the less 4chan ones to finally realize their error
Sorry, the video in which he says "Up yours, woke moralists. We'll see who cancels who."
After being kicked off Twitter for calling the doctor who did Elliot Page's mastectomy criminal, Jordan Peterson posted a rant on YouTube about how he was the real victim. It ended with the line "Up yours woke moralists, we'll see who cancels who!"
disrespects a mans intellectual freedom
How dare she disrespect his right to dogmatically follow Kermit the Frog's teachings?
even if a girl disrespects my intellectual freedom i'll prove chivalry's not dead i'll say somethin romantic like "i'd eat worms for you ma'am i'd eat fucking worms haha how-voice breaks-how much worms do you think i'd eat i'd do whatever".
Idk I think something about that pickup line gets lost in translation from Fremen.
Women in general aren’t interested in “public intellectuals”, longform podcasts or discussions/debates etc.
imagine saying this and then wondering why you have trouble dating
"It must be my intimidating, indomitable intellect that does not stoop to the lowly plains of commonality feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemales are used to!" :very-intelligent:
I would never genuinely say that, but if I did I'd mean it as a good thing towards women. Debate bros are whack.
Yeah, "public intellectuals" aren't usually what this guy thinks they are.
On top of all the many other problems with the excerpt, two things:
If you take apart the conjunction, you see the assertion "women aren't interested in discussions". :thonk:
Also, the idea that women specifically don't like longform podcasts is hilarious. I'm pretty sure they make up the bulk of the audience for the truecrime genre, for instance.
I admit that it's also a stereotype to some degree, but that's part of what makes it so baffling to me that he couldn't even consider sexist tropes in his evaluation of women, let alone real women.
I like JP’s social views on relationships, habits, parenting, men & women
Hmm I wonder if should stop and consider why women don't like this guy's opinion on them. 🤔 Nah it must be a failing in them, because my hero cannot be wrong!! 😍😋🦞
incels, like a virus, cannot reproduce themselves, they can only insert their ideology into others to create more of themselves.
CW: SA
They can now in about half the US thanks to scotus!
Ever walk out on a shitty date though? One night I was smoking on my porch with this guy and was totally about to invite him inside when he asked me how I felt about antifa and then said he thought they were worse than Nazis, like unprovoked. I told him to leave and he was confused but then got really angry and I was a little scared but then he left.
Not as fun as walking out on a shitty job (which everyone should do at least once, it rocks), but I still feel like I dodged a bullet there.
I've walked out on at least ten jobs. Always at peak hours also lol.
Not as fun as walking out on a shitty job (which everyone should do at least once, it rocks)
This is super fun, when I quit my worst job ever (was riding the bus to a shitty restaurant to work as a host, and they kept giving me split shifts so I'd just sit unpaid for 3 hours in the break room because the busses we're not frequent enough to leave and come back) I just stopped going and my boss called me to ask if I was coming in for my shift a couple of hours into it, and I told him no and he asked why and I told him that I was at orientation for my new job. Manager was like "Well thanks for telling us," and I said "you're welcome" before he hung up.
This was in the top five moments in my life.
Talk about not reading the room.
I've definitely fucked up a few dates before. There's an impulse to be angry particularly when you don't understand where you went wrong. Learning to control your worst impulses tends to come with age. I get the feeling that's why older men can come across as comparatively smooth. They just know when to keep their yaps shut.
they just know when to keep their traps shut
Critical life skill right there
There are a few dissenting voices in the thread. One that stood out to me was that interaction with someone saying "Women in general don't like what Jordan Peterson is saying. He's particularly anti-feminist, which obviously isn't going to sit well with women - generally speaking of course." [https://www.reddit.com/user/I_am_momo]. That's where he does the "They frame him as anti-feminist, but I think that he’s fair to both genders, analyses both of them equally based on science, history and human behavior." attempt to debate away the most mild explanation he could be given.
um ackshully ma'am due to science and also human behaviour yuor a tyrant if you do not date me.
Every time I read one of these I can't help but think that the poster, after being validated by his echo chamber, attempts to masturbate but can't finish and just curls up in the fetal position and rocks and cries himself to sleep. And then I laugh.
The world of warcraftin' business. Always recruiting healers and tanks.
I refuse to give Blizzard anymore money to support rapists and their enablers but the Ascension pserver was fun when I gave it a go.
https://ascension.gg/
oh that's interesting, I haven't resubbed since early shadowlands because I just didn't like it, and the news that has come out since have definitely soured me on blizzard too. This private server looks cool, do we know how likely it is that blizzard will force it to shut down like they have with other private servers in the past?
Most pservers are located in countries that wipe their ass with U.S. IP laws, or they get shut down eventually like Nostalrius. Ascension is also alpha testing a server that has 21 new classes.
But she wasn’t curious
What's up with accusing people of not being curious? It's almost always happening in scenarios like this. Why do people feel so entitled to other people's "curiosity"? It comes across as manipulative to me. You lost the sale, move on. There's nothing to be curious about here.
It's yet another euphemism that means "why won't you validate me and listen to me drone on about stupid shit until you are browbeaten and agree".
I use it because it blows my mind how little people care about finding out stuff when all they do is obsess over stuff they know nothing about. You're on the internet. Even spending time on Wikipedia to get the most baseline background is okay. But it's like people forget they're online and they refuse to look into anything.
It goes back to a certain liberal brainness where intellectualism is an identity, not a pursuit. You're intellectual by association with an unofficial brand of media. So you just repeat stuff and never look anything up or find out more about stuff. You hang on "official" reports and news brands as the absolute truth. You also never ask certain questions about society.
I'm assuming the chuds are using it because people keep pointing out how they are not curious people. They're just throwing it back out to get ahead during the internet argument in their head. The one they're constantly having with everyone.
Someone above pointed out exactly what I'm talking about. They accuse others of not being curious yet they refuse to wonder how JP could be seen as bad. They just take what he says at face value because he's an intellectual and must know what he's talking about. But if you go look up his claims about history and stuff, it's wrong. They don't get that far because they're not curious to enough to know if he's right.
please you must consume my rationalizations and become indoctrinated by my :brainworms: or you aren't a curious intellectual :galaxy-brain: like me
Very telling that she asked zero questions. Even if y’all got deeper and reached a fundamental disagreement, great, simply not meant to be. But she wasn’t curious or interested in understanding, only to judge you finally and wholly and without a “trial.” JBP would call her a tyrant
https://www.reddit.com/user/BanjoZone
:kitty-cri-screm: MA'AM YOU'RE DOIN 1984
It wasnt you, or anything you said, or even what Dr Peterson says. She was looking for an out and a sensational post to her social media. I work in sales and customer service and sometimes clients yell and hang up the phone. I never figured it out until recently. Sometimes im trying to figure out their issue and they still hang up. That person then goes on at dinner bragging that they hung up on a dude that also has emotions, also has a family but to hell with all that. The customer now has a story to tell at dinner time about how he/she "showed me" by hanging up the phone. Lol A good part of all of our lives are mundane, uneventful. Im ok with that and I bet you are too.
Well, your date isnt. She just made a scene so then she gets on snapface or whatever and posts "just left some loser (insert infantile insult here) at a restaurant over some bs!"
Dating is challenging but keep putting yourself out there man! But also live your life as if youre prepared to be alone for a good while.
You dodged a rollercoaster ... be prepared because shell text you within a few weeks to apologize and "give you another chance" lol Be stoic and ignore her. Best of luck out there!
https://www.reddit.com/user/Moneyley
Would think 99% or more of women have no idea who he is. Women in general aren't interested in "public intellectuals", longform podcasts or discussions/debates etc. The woke twitter mob ain't a very high % of the population even tho they make a lot of noise. Maybe this is different in the U.S tho.
https://www.reddit.com/user/smurferdigg
Ma'ams don't know le public intellectuals
People hate responsibilities and accountability, nowadays it's all about victim mindset.
Next time tell her/him nothing is her/his fault and they deserve everything for nothing. You'll be having sex in the bathroom. 👍
https://www.reddit.com/user/Defenestration_Champ
They frame him as anti-feminist, but I think that he’s fair to both genders, analyses both of them equally based on science, history and human behavior. That’s of course my personal opinion but I know that might not be acceptable as well these days. And I don’t force it or impose it on anyone of course.
https://www.reddit.com/user/91Uhtred [OP]
This is an issue that JP should really address - for his own sake, and ours. I am staggered that women wouldn't be more interested in a guy who is reading about being more responsible and getting his act more together. There are so many guys who take no responsibility for anything and are a complete mess.
JP has a great message that benefits men and women, people of all races.
It is quite unfortunate that JP spends so much time and effort on unimportant "gender issues" (maybe we all have had to and maybe it is time to move on).
I think that compelled speech, or compelled anything, is a big issue (the underlying issue that JP is railing against), but does it cost us anything to be polite and refer to people as they want to be referred - before they get militant and authoritarian and start enacting laws compelling us into doing stuff - which then sets a precedent for more obnoxious laws?
There are more important things than "gender issues" to discuss, and if you are going to have a fight (or a bad date), why not have it about something really important?
https://www.reddit.com/user/SauvageThinker
Oh jesus, this one... (CW: SA)
They did you a massive favour. To have that kind of reaction is to tell you straight up "I'm arrogantly ignorant and I can't tolerate a potential partner thinking differently from me"
I think people like that have major issues either relating to a character flaw in their personality that is unaddressed or just a big emotional insecurity that they never worked on.
I had a similar experience with a woman I was dating that was a cocaine addict and rape survivor. I lent her 12 rules for life, she started reading the first chapter and loved it, was saying "oh my god what he's saying is so true, thank you for giving this to me". She gets to the 2nd or 3rd chapter when peterson talks about the symbolism of male and female in different cultures and how the feminine is linked with chaos (she didn't read the explanation of chaos as being unbound potential, i think she just read it as "women are unreasonable and illogical" ) and started furiously texting me telling me this guy was sexist and that she would not read the book anymore...I mean..what can you do? She misinterpreted a line which triggered a mental trauma and her self defence mode kicked in and she rejected the stimulus that caused it (the book).
https://www.reddit.com/user/spRitE86-- u wot bruv
Le females use "social" media because their neither logical nor atheist in they're thinkin. I'm too busy readin books to know these things.
Idk, being catfished by Stalin seems like a pretty good deal
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDickShow/ I'm looking around in the subreddit it was in, a regular haunt for him. It led me to: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDickShow/comments/w19vjq/rentpig_vito_hates_land_chads/
Rentpig Vito hates Land Chads
Oh yeah, me getting a lot of rent from my tenants is a real problem. I hate money.
https://www.reddit.com/user/Group_account
He of course most recently posted in r/legalteens
It's why I'll always pay attention to the grifters and propagandists. They're all selling the same things with the same logical framework underlying it and falling for one makes you susceptible to the others. It all sets up the same justifications, incentive structures, and culture that Pewdiepipelines them into a less esoteric kind of fascism.
Very telling that she asked zero questions
"It's a red flag when women actually know things because it means that they're not vulnerable to being browbeaten by our debatebro tactics."
Be stoic and ignore her
> I tell the youth that his provocations are futile because I am a stoic
> he bursts out laughing and says it's pronounced stow-ic, not stoikeWomen in general aren’t interested in “public intellectuals”, longform podcasts or discussions/debates etc
This guy has known maybe three women, including his mom, none of whom were particularly interested in engaging with therapy made for incels. And this is supposed to be evidence that we're intellectually stunted.
People hate responsibilities and accountability, nowadays it’s all about victim mindset
:thinking-about-it: "Gee I don't know, mister capitalist, things seem pretty bad out there. People are hurting a lot."
:porky-happy: (counting his money) "Don't worry about it, they're just irresponsible. You're not like them are you?"
:so-true: "Wow mister capitalist sir, thank you for explaining. I, a white male redditor whose parents sent him to college, had my loyalty bought off with the promise of a middling knowledge job, so why can't everyone else?"
That’s of course my personal opinion but I know that might not be acceptable as well these days. And I don’t force it or impose it on anyone of course.
"Why does everyone get mad when I spout my misogynistic opinions? Don't they see that I'm waving this magical totem of 'not forcing anyone' which gives me immunity to be as shitty as I want?"
There are more important things than “gender issues” to discuss
"I am flabbergasted that people would care about things that affect them but not me."
what can you do? She misinterpreted a line which triggered a mental trauma and her self defence mode kicked in
"Ma'am, if you could just stop trying to explain then I would be glad to misunderstand you and condescendingly shower you with faux empathy."
its, i'm gonna say interesting, how they always mention that Jeepers pushes self-improvement, and yet i never see any of them admitting any flaws or admitting they were wrong. Kind of curious how that process is supposed to work for them. Like from the outside it looks a lot more like his writing attaches onto already existing complacency and rigorously validates it.
be prepared because shell text you within a few weeks to apologize and “give you another chance” lol Be stoic and ignore her
:data-laughing: :miyazaki-laugh: :tito-laugh: :peltier-laugh:
The customer now has a story to tell at dinner time about how he/she “showed me” by hanging up the phone.
can't imagine anyone actually doing this, yet this person thinks they've figured out why people yell at them
Next time tell her/him nothing is her/his fault and they deserve everything for nothing. You’ll be having sex in the bathroom. 👍
Singular he-or-she is so fake that these nerds can't even commit to it for a single sentence. I hate the way they're trying to change the English language.
Its just sort of depressing and irritating to see young people get tripped up by some benzo-addled daughter-horny muppet-sounding nerd.
Like, really? You couldn't find a better role model than this? I just don't understand how Peterson has created his own little Jonestown. At least Jim Jones could fuck. This is like building a movement to venerate Pat Buchanan.
All i know is acting and telling all women they are whores. Is a good way to stay an incel.
I'm starting to hearing the term high value male alot. As a married older millennial I'm very glad I'm not young right now.
I mean, I remember the toxic masculinity of the 90s. It was a lot of the same crap, garnished with a sizable dollop of homophobia.
I definitely don't envy anyone navigating the singles life right now, but being younger again would be nice. At least my back would ache a bit less.
I don't understand how people still find JP to be a worthwhile "role-model" sort of figure when he was so whacked-the-fuck-out on benzos that he had to be put into a medically induced coma and resuscitated in some old dilapidated post-soviet hospitable. That's low-tier mid-aughts straight-to-dvd horror movie shit.
Also he's a rabid anticommunist, but his daughter got knocked-up by a "communist" who thinks he's possessed by the ghost of Stalin and some other unrelated ghost named "Igor". Also he just breaks into fucking tears over shit that doesn't even make sense. Just, why?
I don’t understand how people still find JP to be a worthwhile “role-model” sort of figure when he was so whacked-the-fuck-out on benzos that he had to be put into a medically induced coma and resuscitated in some old dilapidated post-soviet hospitable. That’s low-tier mid-aughts straight-to-dvd horror movie shit.
Honestly a JP biopic in the style of David Lynch would be great.
Old man wakes up from a coma in a hospital of that description, seeing visions of his wife dead, trying to parse memories of a Slovenian cocaine addict humiliating him on stage, and being told that his daughter was impregnated by a communist who is possessed by a demon.
Because daddy issues induced by collapsing psychopathic mode of production.
Pretty sure all lobsters come from petite bourgeois families. Discuss.
My ex was a huge JP fan about ten years ago, before he got all unhinged about the Canadian pronoun law or whatever. She grew up dirt poor and never knew her dad. I think he just generally appeals to people with bad relationships with their dads, so like 80% of westerners.
I get how people can fall for most his traps and shit but I will never understand how he tricks them in to thinking he's some world renowned expert in his field instead of just one of countless college professors of no note.
I think a lot of the people he appeals to also don't regard psychology as legitimate in any respect, so he has to be the expert of it to lend credibility.
He's world renowned in that lots of people have heard of him, that's what that means right :meow-floppy:
Sounds like you found the perfect litmus test for future dates.
This could work both ways, no? 1st question to any dates: "What do you think about Lobster Boy?"
Maybe they will form a dating site called Lobster Love? M:F ratio ends up at like 10:1 lmao
M:F ratio ends up at like 10:1 lmao
Genuinely curious how many dorks you could get to sign up for some chat-bot dating scam by just running ads in the middle of Peterson's YouTube content.
To these people "renowned" means "prominent for whatever reason", when in academia it means more of a "has made one or more important contributions to their field" which JBP is definitely not the second.
