I think the problem for the Trump people was the fact trump's crowd weren't all that big looking at just photos, so trumpets made up conspiracies about it
I don't remember that tbh, just infinite screaming about mail-in ballots. I do remember them pointing at crowd sizes in 2016 to anyone confused how Hillary lost.
That the media and the party leadership conspired to manipulate public opinion and the conditions for voting in a way to prevent Bernie from winning. It's more about everyone in authority uniting to stack the deck before the election instead of outright stealing it.
Do you not think the enthusiasm for Trump was bigger than the enthusiasm for Biden though?
Sure. But enthusiasm doesn't equal votes. Trump significantly increased his turnout between '16 and '20, but a lot of it just went into states he'd already won four years earlier or states he was hopelessly behind on. Florida went from swing-state to landslide. He added over a million votes in Texas. He added an extra 300k in Ohio. He added 1.5M votes in California and 400k more votes in NY.
He also lost the two critical historically hard-red states of Arizona and Georgia (not something you can really blame the Democrats for) and despite adding over 400k in Pennsylvania it still slipped through his fingers by about the same margin he won it against Hillary.
I think the enthusiasm around Trump was double-edged. He provoked historic turnout by raw numbers nationally. And this backfired in a bunch of states that had historically kept control by tamping that turnout down.
In the same way Obama '08 gave Dems a landslide victory by raising turnout across the board (and lost it all again in '10 with a historic turnout sag), Trump fucked the GOP by causing entirely too much enthusiasm.
Isn’t this the exact same argument trump people made “proving” that the 2020 election was faked? Pointing at rally crowd sizes as proof?
I think the problem for the Trump people was the fact trump's crowd weren't all that big looking at just photos, so trumpets made up conspiracies about it
Bernie's crowds were just genuinely gigantic
I don't remember that tbh, just infinite screaming about mail-in ballots. I do remember them pointing at crowd sizes in 2016 to anyone confused how Hillary lost.
it was very obvious that Trump was gonna win as early as 2015
I was kind of surprised but I also wasn't paying much attention because Hillary creeped me out so much
We're not saying Bernie got more votes though, big difference
What's the implication of this image though?
That the media and the party leadership conspired to manipulate public opinion and the conditions for voting in a way to prevent Bernie from winning. It's more about everyone in authority uniting to stack the deck before the election instead of outright stealing it.
Except in Iowa. That shit was sus
it probably was faked, chuds are just malding because they cheated and still lost
Do you not think the enthusiasm for Trump was bigger than the enthusiasm for Biden though?
Like, elections aren't won through vibes, but he genuinely energised people in the same way that someone like Obama did.
Sure. But enthusiasm doesn't equal votes. Trump significantly increased his turnout between '16 and '20, but a lot of it just went into states he'd already won four years earlier or states he was hopelessly behind on. Florida went from swing-state to landslide. He added over a million votes in Texas. He added an extra 300k in Ohio. He added 1.5M votes in California and 400k more votes in NY.
He also lost the two critical historically hard-red states of Arizona and Georgia (not something you can really blame the Democrats for) and despite adding over 400k in Pennsylvania it still slipped through his fingers by about the same margin he won it against Hillary.
I think the enthusiasm around Trump was double-edged. He provoked historic turnout by raw numbers nationally. And this backfired in a bunch of states that had historically kept control by tamping that turnout down.
In the same way Obama '08 gave Dems a landslide victory by raising turnout across the board (and lost it all again in '10 with a historic turnout sag), Trump fucked the GOP by causing entirely too much enthusiasm.