Inasmuch as I disagree with XR, I disagree with this meme more.
Has this person ever driven past a factory farm?
They aren't grassy. They're muddy and full of shit. You can also smell them from a mile away.
Ever driven by a patch of solar panels and turbines? It's mostly just empty space. Not exactly tranquil--more mundane, but it's a hell of a lot better than a farm.
This was likely drawn by someone who thinks they are smarter than everyone they disagree with
Isn't that... everyone?
I don't exactly go around thinking "man all these people who disagree with me are so fucking brilliant, unlike me, I'm a total dumbass!"
Bring up Einstein's anti-capitalist critique and see what they say?
Even if I tried very hard to imagine myself as a chud the cognitive dissonance of unironically saying "yeah unfortunately the smartest man ever was right about almost everything. The one thing he got wrong? Capitalism of course!".
Bring up Einstein's anti-capitalist critique and see what they say?
There's also a lot of brilliant scientists who are Libertarian weirdos, also I think Einstein was a Zionist. The logic here doesn't really hold, being brilliant in one field doesn't make you universally brilliant, you can recognize Einstein was a brilliant physicist but think he was wrong about other stuff.
I think what people mean when they say "you just think you're opinions are smarter than everyone else" is "you're less open to challenging your own opinions". The former statement makes no logical sense, an opinion is by definition something you think is correct, if you thought your own opinion was wrong it would no longer be your opinion.
Einstein had a very weird for today Zionism going on. He essentially wanted Jewish mass immigration to Palestine but opposed a Jewish state being created.
His quote from 1938
I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. ... If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and patience.
A decade later he was comparing the Israeli government to the nazi government. So zionist, yeah, but not the way you'd think when you hear zionist.
Made a reply to clear that stuff up just above this. Should clear that stuff up.
I often acknowledge the intelligence of people I’m opposed to. A lot of them are pretty smart in their own way.
Yeah I recognize there are people smarter than me in certain things, for sure. I don't exactly go around proclaiming opinions that I think are incorrect, that would be weird, "here is my opinion, by the way I think it's wrong!" Why would it be my opinion then? An opinion by nature is something I think is correct, if I thought other peoples opinions were smarter than mine wouldn't I just change my opinion to theirs?
Thus feels very misplaced though, and I don't need to be that smart to see why this lands very wrong
Ever driven by a patch of solar panels and turbines? It's mostly just empty space.
They're so cool. We drive past a bunch of them on the way to visit family every summer. Most people don't realize how M A S S I V E turbines can be. They're all sprinkled around on still existing, real family farms. Like the top picture, but with enormous propellers towering over them.
It's rad as hell. And if you don't look reeeeeealllly high up, you would barely even notice them on foot.
There’s a really funny picture taken by a guy repairing one. He stick his junk outside a repair acces panel and snapped. It looked like the turbine had a dick and balls
I've only seen them in long stretches of desert. Not as cool. Although, they give you something to look at
I second this. US agricultural industry really wants people to believe "farmers" are just kindly salt-of-the-earth types tending to their fields and its been super powerful propaganda. Hell, even implying that "real" America is an agrarian society has done numbers.
Go to any grocery store in the US. Go to the produce section and look around for romantic imagery of farmlands, happy cows, or giant stalks of wheat. It's right there in the consumerism.
How do they think this much fucking meat ends up in their gaping maws? There's some easy to ballpark math if they consider how much meat they eat alone and multiply that by an estimation of the US population and that cute little farm shown in the comic with one sheep and two female cows is pretty logically not how it's going. Look at a grocery store shelf or realize fast food is hamburgers and it falls into place real easy. I figured out commodity fetishism when I was like 8 from reading Calvin and Hobbes and got a better understanding later, I get others didn't but to be an adult that doesn't understand things have to come from somewhere is really something else.
On Sundays I work the farmers market and the stall next to me is cheese from a idyllic looking farm like the picture. Like 4oz of cheese curds are $15 with my vendor discount.
They do make noise though, so it's not a good ideia to put them too near places where people live
also it has to be said, wind turbines don't kill that many birds ultimately. it is, naturally, outdoor cats by like a few orders of magnitude
Another thing to add, people have learned that just painting over one of the blades reduces the amount of birds killed.
Looking at a smokestack and thinking that's not harming birds. Not to mention animal growth hormones in feces and insecticides directly poisoning birds or killing their food source. That's not even touching the anti vegan bend here cause that's obviously farcical on it's face. 2 cows and a single sheep isn't a farm, it's having big pets and vegans are against those guys getting the equivalent of a wind turbine to that bird in a mechanized process by the millions. It's the same mentality as the birds in the comic, they think it's worse cause the birds die near the turbine and they have to see it instead of a long drawn out mass extinction event that we're doing now, same with their happy little cows and sheep, as long as they don't see what happens to them and are just presented with a pastoral idealistic image they'll treat that as reality. No object permanence. These are the mental gymnastics cowardice puts you through. Fuck this guy and his violent insistence on the world abiding to the maintenance of his childish fantasy.
[Mirror Universe Joe Rogan voice] Jamie pull up footage of the pig shit lagoons
Dead birds from turbine straw man fallacy vs whole sell slaughter of cattle, pigs, chicken, etc in industrial factory farms. Who wins? You decide! Epic Chud Battles of History!
Oh for sure, smog wouldn't get anywhere without all those windmills blowing it around.
Comic is wrong, the best moment to spray your solar panels with pesticides is right before dawn
Communication towers and building collisions kill more birds than windmills
But outdoor cats take the cake.
Farmers are basically at war with nature as a profession. Some of the worst environmental things I have seen or heard of were on farms.
Like a dude I knew managed to crush an old car battery with a tractor and basically shrugged it off. "Welp it's in the ground now."
Some nugget headed dude I lived near had a retaining pond that he never lined and it would just catastrophically burst and flood every single year. Just the dumbest shit.
This stuff actually personally bothers me because it's got like a parallel of all the shitty trad people that think farming is easy baked into it. You know what happened to the little house on the Prarie? It got blown away in the dustbowl. So go have fun with your 40 acres and your mule until you turn the topsoil to shit by monocropping the land to death.
Some nugget headed dude I lived near had a retaining pond that he never lined and it would just catastrophically burst and flood every single year. Just the dumbest shit.
Surely after the first couple of times... idk
I wonder what the culture is like in less industrialised countries. Still want to visit Cuba
He had water rights so he could just be indifferent to thousands of gallons running down the hill. It also was frustrating because besides the wasted water there were frogs and birds and bugs that lived in that pond and the idea of their whole life being ruined because dingus didn't want to buy some plastic bummed me out. Frogs are cool. I dealt with mosquitoes from that pond. Maybe try to keep our amphibian friends around so they can deal with the mosquitoes instead? Like I said, some dudes are just "at war with nature." Being more responsible would save money and resources but some of these farmers are just locked in their wasteful ways.
At some point or another if we want to have our current industrialised urbanised societies, food does have to be grown, but holy shit are farmers a reactionary block. Also, even if we do a soviet thing again, I would be against centralising farming to a huge extent because it introduces a bunch of vulnerabilities to food sovreignty (also, some projects would be rolled out very slowly, none of this replacing your entire agri-industry with a new thing that may or may not work). Unfortunately in WOrkers and Resources you don't really have any options for doing interesting agri-cycles.
I'm with you 100%. My experience says that we of course need farms but we shouldn't see farmers through rose tinted glasses.
It is true, a lot of "green energy" projects are transparently massively ecologically destructive grifts, but also, most animal agriculture looks more like massive sheds pumping out millions of gallons of toxic waste
Not even worth arguing with those fucks, since they will vehemently defend pipelines that regularly burst and kill entire acres or pollute the air and water at every possibility they can. Suggest someone can go easy on the roadsalt on a timid winter? They'll add more salt until the local ecology mimics Utah.
I got a degree in Environmental Health and I've only got more broken down over the years.
