:kombucha-disgust: Last time I checked most pedos end up being hyper-religious conservatives or libertarians. Am I wrong?
Seems like chuds are projecting yet again. Imagine being the side of underage anime avatars and having the balls to accuse the left of "grooming"
I think a lot of analysis people put forward on this is completely fucking wrong. It's not really projection, it's strategic and carefully thought through by far right strategists and thinktanks who are the real vanguard of the far right movement.
The tactic is about tapping into deep seated insecurities that people have and weaponising those insecurities into tools of the movement.
Most of this has been about targeting people who are 40+ in age. Everyone above a certain age threshold can see very clearly that younger people have a drastically different worldview compared to them. This needs answering within society otherwise these people will be forced to come to terms with the fact that Gen X and Boomers had drastically different material conditions that resulted in their massively different views compared to Millenials and Gen Z.
Bring in the grooming myth. Young people are gayer and "woke", why? Because the left has GROOMED the youth via academia and WOKE IDEOLOGY.
You explain away the differences of views in society and you weaponise it into a PROTECT THE YOUNG tool. This turns your reactionary movement of proto-fascists into crusaders that believe what they're doing is good and right and for a good reason.
To dovetail into your excellent comment, this is entirely anecdotal but I think the (white, Christian) age 40+ crowd is also also seeing what they consider their core religious beliefs and values not getting picked up by younger generations. It's been the case in the US that younger generations aren't as Christian as their parents for a long time, but this is really accelerating at a breakneck pace now.
Evangelical Christian parents are hyper focused on keeping their kids indoctrinated for as long as they possibly can. There are a number of reasons for this - social reproduction, status in their community for having "good Christian" kids, a fear that their kids will end up in hell, and so on (:zizek: ). But the solution for them is to keep their kids on social lockdown at least through age 18. That's one reason why schools are so much of their focus. For these parents who can't afford private school (and they're working on that with vouchers), schools are the one place they can't shelter their kids. So the idea of classrooms being a welcoming environment for LGBT kids is what draws the most of their ire. That's also why they will fight tooth and nail for the US to continue all our evil policies regarding how anyone under 18 is basically the personal property of their parents. Start talking about how kids should have rights that even parents can't abridge, and hoo boy you will see the Evangelicals get whipped up in a fury of anger even more intense than their hatred of wearing masks for the purposes of public safety
Just look at the current reactionary furor over Boston Children's Hospital. They cannot conceive of a young person having some agency and wanting to make a choice for themselves about their own body. Nope! To them the parents are the final arbiters for their kids. We all understand why it's important to make sure, for example, trans kids can confide in a teacher at school. It's usually someone saying "my home situation is horrible I can't be myself there like I can in school". But these parents see it as some teacher is directly violating their "rights" as a parent. Same situation, two very different interpretations of it.
As always, death to America.
Hmm the religious side is completely lost on me. I don't have the cultural background or experience to make judgements.
The thing I'm stuck on is with understanding that these are strategic choices made by a leadership element of the far right and how to counter it.
P R O J E C T I O N
The entire Qanon "save the childrens from child traffickers" ideology came from the pedophiles of *chan culture.
It also comes from the fact that conservatives deal with grooming from religious organizations, Boy Scouts, and the like at a far greater rate than leftists.
Chuds seem to take abuse they received and see it as good and justified because they're terrified of even the possibility of having been powerless, victimized, and hurt at some point. The "my old man kicked my ass as a kid and I turned out FINE!" crowd is made of the same stuff.
Children's organized sports is the single biggest area for child abuse. Religious organizations usually only have one or two adults doing something with kids at a time, so there's not that many opportunities per person to do abuse unless they can isolate a kid before or after some event. Whixh obvious they do often enough, but not at every single church all the time. Boy scouts have worked really hard to make child abuse harder to do, most of the ongoing lawsuits are about things from the 70s and 80s. Again it obviously still happens today but much less than people suspect, especially if we are just talking about sexual assault. But organized sports has sometimes no training or oversight whatsoever and tons of ways to isolate a kid in the middle of things. Plus way more people involved period, different coaches and refs running around and a kid can be in multiple sports. If a kid is bruised and won't say why they don't want to play sports anymore, their chud parent will just make them keep doing it and call them a pussy. There is a reason every major story about a serial abuser comes out of the world of sports, and I am tired of people just ignoring this. Organized children's sports is one if the worst parts of modern life, kids can't just play games with each other for fun, they have to be scored and monitored the whole time so they can get good for high school and get better for college. And that's if they don't get hurt in horrible ways by their coachs or teammates or just a regular injury.
:this:
Plus the fact that our top sport in the US is just going out on a field and giving yourself repeated deliberate concussions maybe we should make some changes when it comes to that
But if you suggested ending children’s football an army of suburbanites would burn down every city in America. It’d start a civil war faster than trying to ban guns.
This often gets taken as a "sportsball bad" sentiment (I like sports!), but the US really, really should disconnect athletic participation from schools, IMO. Does any other country even do youth sports like this? Aren't they all just clubs not connected to schools?
I've been told on multiple occasions that "football rules the school" when I reported disruptions and distractions to my class interrupting tests with strictly-enforced time limits. Effectively, the homecoming float and the cheerleaders rushing around screaming stirred up the class enough that they lost several minutes getting caught up in it, and many of them didn't have time to answer every question. But football rules the school. The coach gets paid more than almost the rest of the faculty combined. :doomer:
it was insanely funny that pizzagate began because 4channers thought "cheese pizza" was a reference to trafficked children, when that meaning literally comes from a joke 4chan pedos had about what CP actually stands for.
It's like a fringe version of "a thief believes everyone steals." The pedophiles of *chan culture were so insulated that they assumed everyone else used their own code language.
They weren’t truly insulated though, their message resonated with a disturbingly large portion of the population that were not on these sites
It is this bizarre thing where they have an image of a loli or creepy underage anime girl right next to their text post about how much they hate pedos and groomers.
Usually you would think they would at least ease their dissonance and post those things in 2 different comments instead of combining into 1. Shows how frivolous this is to them, words are their playthings and they have no morals
words are their playthings and they have no morals
taps the Sarte sign
also realizes that's ironic because of Sarte's predator history
Another possible reason
Conservatives doing their thing of lumping leftists together with libs :epstein: :billdawg: who are actual pedos and sex pests
Of course conservatives can't see that they too are libs
And because as we know conservatives straight up do not care about being hypocrites they easily ignore the fact that their god Donny boy was also friends with our leading pedophiles
Or their speaker of the house for decades was a giant pedophile…
Supporting kids' rights to have a say in their identity (i.e. puberty blockers for potentially trans kids) is grooming to them because they see it as the adults pushing that on them.
And then once the term got around they revived the good old "gays are all pedos" shit and started applying it there too.
And leftists support LGBT people, so "naturally" they support grooming, which makes them groomers.
I think it's mostly in refernce to LGBTQ+ rights. They think that the only reason to have sex is for reproduction. So if you are gay, for example, you having sex with your preferred gender wouldn't result in procreation. So they think gay people with pride flags etc. are just sex obsessed perverts. Christian conservatives think that If you're a gay male teacher and you put up a pride flag in your classroom, you are just signaling to children that you love to fuck dudes etc. and not that you aren't ashamed of who you are.
Also chuds like to think all gay men are pedophiles etc.
Yeah they just picked something bad to accuse not just the left but literally every sexual minority off so they'd have a thin pretext to justify mass murder. It's just baby's first blood libel for the 21st century.
100% this. Last century, the Nazis used the same groomer rhetoric even prior to the Holocaust. It's the same fascist chuds, ofc they'd say the same exact shit with the same tactics and horrific ends in mind.
I think there's a big dumb reason that explains a lot and it's when boomers learn a new word. They overuse and overapply it until they completely ruin the word. It can no longer be used for its original intention.
They did this with the word "triggered".
The Pizza Gate, then Q Anon adjacent movement turned into "save the children" from trafficking, which is an ostensibly good cause except that they don't seek out actual traffickers or predators, they merely weaponize the accusations against their political and cultural opponents. Who could disagree with stopping child abuse after all, it's a powerful rhetorical bludgeon when people aren't really following what's going on. Epstein stuff definitely added fuel to the fire too
I don't think you should underestimate how much Covid has united cranks and reactionaries of all sorts against the corrupt and incompetent Democrats and the liberal and sadly progressive signifiers they hide behind. Formerly apolitical young people have been swept up in it, anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine, Q-anon, anti-groomer, homophobia, transphobia is all at a fever pitch and forming a political coalition.
Their narrative is that the liberals are making all the kids trans and/or gay to sexually abuse and traffic them, hence the "grooming" accusations. Like you say, most predators and abusers are on the right and in power, whereas actual progressives have basically no power whatsoever.
Annoyingly there’s a key part they’re right about: There is a cabal of rich elite pedophiles that are in large part responsible for our collective misery. They’re just (somewhat intentionally) wrong about the who, where, and why, and instead of blaming the actual rich elite pedophiles they mostly defend those people and go after LGBTQ+ people instead.
It’s almost like this is a strategy fascists have used to justify mass murder in the past and they’re doing it again… :thinking-about-it:
Their narrative is that the liberals are making all the kids trans and/or gay to sexually abuse and traffic them
And they will use things like teachers acknowledging a kid's pronouns or drag queens reading books to kids as evidence of this.
In addition to what everyone else has said:
- People who act differently to "normal" must be groomers.
- In general when they don't understand why they disagree with something or someone, they just assume the worst of them, which must mean that leftists are groomers.
- If you're willing to have sex with people outside of the norm, then you must be willing to have sex with children
- For religious right wingers, leftists are satanists, and satan corrupts children
Grooming. Pshhh. If you saw my scraggly bearded snaggle toed friends you'd never accuse them of grooming or hygiene or anything
There's an interesting mirror to US funded anticommunist strategies in the third world, which often mobilised false accusations of sex crimes (for example, that communist women would chop off men's dicks in satanic rituals) to justify and win support for terror campaigns. Seems like that might be a way of accounting for it considering that key figures in the contemporary US right have intelligence agency ties and where their funding comes from
Was literally just listening to true anon the bolsonaro method where they describe exactly this
Oh nice! Didn't know that had an episode with Blevins on
(for example, that communist women would chop off men’s dicks in satanic rituals) to justify and win support for terror campaigns.
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I think this was mentioned on the chapo episode about the Jakarta Method book
That's where I read about it. It's an excellent book btw!
