https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/x2bsa7/states_that_give_vs_those_that_take/
7.5k likes. Americans are the smartest people
Yes that's literally how a country works.
"Richer" economic center provides economic support in exchange for food from the farmlands, water from the rivers and mountains, natural resources from mines, and industry from the "poorer" areas of the country.
Almost every country bigger than Switzerland is like this.
Do people really think the urban centres could survive without the resources supplied from rural areas? Lmao.
Urbanite liberals leaning how a country works, and immediately wanting to do a balkanisation speedrun out of pure arrogance like a 5 year old is incredibly funny.
Lesotho is the only country that's really even been close to successful at this and it's because they're surrounded by mountains so it's hard to intervene militarily (South Africa did try though), there's a shared national identity and the basically are in the position where they can negotiate deals to supply half of South Africa with water (Highlands water project). Even then it's not like Lesotho is super rich or anything lol. It's in 160th place out of 187 in the Human development index. In a desperate attempt to get more money into to the country, they took advantage of some grant from the US where mostly women get employed to make GAP and JCPenny clothes.
Europe had to create the EU to remain competitive in a neoliberal global economy, and put the cart before the horse in terms of creating a currency before a country, which has led to tonnes of problems. See Greece.
Yup and at the same time the rural farmland cannot survive without the import and export of coastal urban centers and connected industrial manufacturing centers and the resultant consumption. Like wtf do these peeps think that rural America could function without mass fertilizer import and manufacturing? Or hell keep mass harvesting and farming equipment going without oil/energy? The whole rural vs urban is a classiest styled divide that is done to wedge apart proletarian unity
Exactly. There's no way the "South can break away" without collapsing. Like this is how counties work.
One look at this is that the only reason rural food producing zones need that trade is to boost harvests to be able to produce for the urban centres.
So, the rural areas could be self sufficient without urban centre trade, but urban centre trade provides economic input into rural centres to support itself.
Ngl this was my original thought years ago until the realization of how fucked the topsoil is and how yield returns are only possible by the interconnection of rural and urban manufacturing/industrial zones giving endless fertilizer/materials to make up for this continuing deficiency. Now farmers could indeed go to a regenerative model but that would in essence require more manpower and man hours to accomplish which is something that rural America would never want to admit (it already does not want to admit how vital migrant farm workers are to actual production and how fucked they would be without them getting funneled to them via the state worker visa programs). A big indicator of this failing though is how many farmers are similar to kulaks/petit boug in that they themselves work their land marginally compared to current outputs from industrialized resource usage. So yeah you could go independent and scale down to a smaller farm but that isn't what rural America says when they continuously "threaten" independence, it's similar to how supporters of Brexit did not understand how well negotiated their spot is within the global industrial exchange system (any aatempt to break from it would remove those ignored benefits).
So, the rural areas could be self sufficient without urban centre trade
self-sufficient enough to get conquered by a more organized country after they secede, yea
I was just watching the pretty decent The Weight Of Chains documentaries on Yugoslavia/Serbia the past couple days. They're all on YouTube though it's a weird blend of English narration (subtitled in Serbian) and Serbian speakers who don't get subtitled, so parts 2 and 3 are harder to understand. Has Michael Parenti clips in part 1 and short interviews with him and Oliver Stone in part 2. Not bad info on how fucking awful EU neoliberalization is.
It's not hard to understand what socialism is. There is so much literature out there that you couldn't possibly hope to get anywhere near reading all of it even if you did nothing else for your whole lifetime.
Liberals cannot even do a single sentence. Instead they get their entire understanding of the topic from radlibs and high school civics classes, absorbing additional brainworms through osmosis along the way.
I don't want to hear about the cupcakes or the cows or the fucking lemonade stands. Read a fucking book you dumb motherfuckers holy fucking shit!!!!! :matt-jokerfied:
Federal Government has access to the money printer, states don't. Why wouldn't you take the money?
Someone make the brain enlightening meme of the average liberal's definition of socialism ending with "Capitalism is actual socialism"
Blue States Have:
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most of the people
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most of the advanced domestic capital
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most of the professional jobs (doctors, lawyers, tech, etc)
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most of the corporate offices
Red States Have:
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most of the undeveloped real estate
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most of the agricultural real estate and jobs
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most of the natural reserves (water, unmined ore, undeveloped fossil fuels, forests, wildlife, etc)
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most of the Gulf Coast shipping traffic
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most of the retirees
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most of the military bases and industry
I feel like there's a reason we've got a net cash flow from Blue to Red states and its not just because Republicans are better at pork spending. Its almost as though there's some kind of symbiotic relationship between the two political regions. And breaking that relationships will not make life easier for residents of either region.
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