"GIVE US YOUR MISSISSIPPI WATER" - Another desert dork

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In response to Janet Wilson's Aug. 14 story, "Pipe dream or possible? Experts weigh in on idea of sending Mississippi River water to West," it's clear that many experts think diverting a fairly small amount of Mississippi River water to Lake Powell is doable from an engineering and construction standpoint, but impossible from an approval and political standpoint.

This seems to me implausible. If you never attempt something because it is hard, we can never do anything. Following that philosophy, we wouldn’t have a Panama Canal, New York City (because we wouldn’t have built the Catskill aqueduct), the Golden Gate Bridge, or gone to the moon and back. John F. Kennedy said, “We didn’t decide to go to the moon because it's easy. We did it because it’s hard.”

The bottom line is that, as CNN, ABC, NBC, and Fox News have been reporting, a disaster is in the making on the Colorado River. We don’t need the 1964 immense plan. We just need to get an amount of water similar to that which goes down the California aqueduct (100,000-125,000 gallons/second) to Lake Powell and then on down to Lake Mead.

If the Chinese can do it, we can too. Yes, the water would have to probably be treated somehow, but the Atchafalaya Basin, where the diverted water currently goes, cleans up a lot of it and maybe this won’t be as big a problem as some people think. There are technical people already in place who know how to clean water.

I am not qualified to accurately estimate how long it would take to build such an aqueduct or pipeline, but in World War II, we built two oil pipelines from Texas to New Jersey (1,400 miles) over 200 streams and under (!) the Mississippi River in less than a year.

Excavating and boring technology have improved immensely since then. For example, the Dutch use a machine known as the Backacter 1100 to dredge and build their many canals and dikes. This monstrous machine can in one scoop dig out 1,800 cubic feet of dirt 51 feet deep! Put a dozen of these things chomping away along Interstate highways in Louisiana, Texas, and New Mexico and I think we’d have a trench in no time. You could probably sell tickets to let people watch.

There might be some places on the West Coast where existing technology desalinization plants could supply drinking water. As for desalinating water at scale for agricultural use, which is what we need, it simply isn’t possible with known technology. We need at least a 10x increase in water volume at 10x lower cost compared to current technology. The government should be funding massive research into desalinization, which is not being done.

In the meantime, we are stuck with Mother Nature’s desalinization process: ocean water evaporation, to clouds, to rain, to land, to rivers and back to the ocean. Even though this generates enough water for every person and every use, Mother Nature doesn’t distribute the water evenly.

That’s clearly our job. Let’s get on with it.

Don Siefkes lives in San Leandro. Email him at donsiefkes@aol.com

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    If the Chinese can do it, we can too.

    :michael-laugh: :doubt:

    Edit: and the author uses an AOL account?

    :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh:

      • CTHlurker [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        If elon build it, it would have a more juvenile name, and also the laser would somehow ignite the hydrogen and wipe out half of western texas.

    • VernetheJules [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      If the Chinese can do it, we can too.

      That means we can build high speed rail, right? :Padme-and-Anakin:

    • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      If the Chinese can do it, we can too.

      This is just the vestiges of white supremacy and imperial superiority. Good luck fuckos, that's not the case anymore

  • Nepharoni [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It's just a cross-country aqueduct Michael, how long could it take, a year?

    • uSSRI [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      And I said 'a year?! Let's do it in two weeks!'

  • VernetheJules [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Me sowing: haha, fuck YEAH!

    Me reaping: listen, water distribution is not mother nature's job

    • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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      2 years ago

      literally sowing and reaping since this guy is some California agricultural magnate

  • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Setting aside that this plan is delaying the inevitable, this is the system y'all made you know? Everything around you is how you wanted it, you wanted a desert where you grow pasture for cattle to graze and you wanted water intensive crops and you wanted golfing ranges and you wanted water for industry all at the same time you wanted more water for your elites and didnt tolerate rationing, and you wanted to pump unlimited CO2 and CH4 into our atmosphere and then to top it off you gave up on the ability to do big things on a short time frame because your precious rate of profit wasn't high enough... so, welcome to your empire.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Oh look it's capitalists appropriating leftist concepts to make it look like a good thing when the rich get richer.

  • Quimby [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    "Let's deplete and spoil all the remaining sources of water!"

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    "muh... muh property values! I was told it would never go down."

  • FRIENDLY_BUTTMUNCHER [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Ok but seriously the way we do water licenses is fucked. With a license you are allotted a certain amount of water, regardless of the current flow or downstream impacts. Meanwhile even Canada does it better, and they allow you a certain flow so long as you guarantee x amount goes downstream.

    If you were wondering why the Colorado River doest reach the ocean, it is because we can't figure out how to distribute water.

  • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    right idea (genocide the desert) but wrong execution (diverting already existing rivers)

    also they don't need to be as grand as China, they only need to match Saudi Arabia, which already creates through desalination a freshwater flow that is 20x smaller than the Colorado River, with a 30x smaller GDP