This is precisely why the U.S. didn't want them to have long range missiles
So they're going to force an escalation with a small fleet of 9/11'ers instead
Cessna planes were already being extensively used as military reconnaissance planes so this hasn't really changed anything in that regard.
Okay, yeah, respect where it's due, the field expedient cruise missile does work.
How much does a tomahawk missile cost? I think cessnas run like 200k or 400k
Tomahawks tend to fly a bit faster and have a more focused payload.
Doing a Flying Timothy McVeigh certainly creates a large explosion. I have to question whether this strike had a meaningful impact on drone production, any more than McVeigh's strike had a meaningful impact on the FBI's ability to operate in the US Southwest. A ballistic missile would have had the same penetration and done far more damage.
Federal building generally. It had a bunch of offices, including the DEA and the ATF. The latter is what he was (mostly) targeting, since it was (mostly) in response to Ruby Ridge and Waco.
it hit a residential annex, so production is not slowed whatsoever
I'm sure this won't prompt another massive wave of missile strikes all over Ukraine in retaliation
This feels like reading about a boxing match, in which every hit by Thomas Hearns is covered breathlessly, while a blizzard of blows by Sugar Ray Leonard go utterly unremarked upon.
Can I just go on record as to say that your username is 10/10 in my book?
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Literally the plot of multiple PKD books. Usually with humanity staying below ground; safe from a non-existant war.
PKD? Ah... Phillip K Dick.
There's also the "sci-fi war porn" series, BOLO started by Keith Laumer.
Also in multiple Orson Scott Card books if I remember correctly, something about wars being fought by drones in space by the time of the initial alien invasion in the prequel books that were written (I know he sucks yadda yadda I loved his books as a kid)
tbf it's been a trope in sci-fi since the 80s and possibly earlier.
Plan A: The Americans sell us and subsidize a fleet of F-16s, fully equipped with state of the art target-lock AMRAAMS.
Plan B: Charlie’s dad works a lot and probably won’t notice his weekender is missing for quite a while. Load her up, boys!
It depends on which alignment chart you're following. Some of the more unhinged technical enthusiasts consider any weaponized vehicle a technical, which I guess would make 9/11 a technical inside job. For the purists
, a technical is limited solely to light pickup trucks fitted with a heavy gun in the flatbed. If you want to get technical about technicals, I think limiting it solely to ground vehicles is technically the correct technical definition. Technical.
Is there evidence of the Cessna being remote controlled? I skimmed the article but I was tilted from the use of "kamakazi'd" in the headline.
More like kamakazIED imirite
You made an excellent pun with the "kamakazIED" line,
is a cartoonist that usually has a short pun as a part of their shtick.
cool terrorists take notes, it's kind of amazing that worked & wasn't intercepted
In fairness cessnas have a...reputation for effectively penetrating Russian airspace.
Bit idea: modern day equivalent of Japan's Kamikaze unity staffed entirely by dentists and lawyers.
Dentists are kinda ok, even if everyone hate them, we should just forbade any private practice for them. And dentist gulags, they come out after getting 100 patients vouching for them.
There's something poetic about a drone factory getting drone struck.
I wonder if that will factor into the logistics of their production.
but wait there's more! order now and we'll attach a giant LED flashlight on the tail to light the path on those dark lonely nights in the cold!
Or don't. Cessnas are reasonably easy to target and shoot down, from a missile defense perspective. If this is all the Ukrainians have left, just buy some Iron Dome tech from Israel and maybe take a unilateral step towards ending this nightmare.
I thought Israel was now actively favoring and aiding Ukraine
What both ends, Ukraine declare constant support for Israel and vice versa, also both countries are dogs on the same leash held by Uncle Sam. The only contention point is that US treat flow to Israel is much more steady and unconditional because Israel is the still useful and Ukraine usefullnes is nearing the end.
But this kind of thing does push Russia towards the end goal of dismantling Ukraine as a sovereign state rather than simply taking the Donbas Republics and drawing the line there. As long as a sovereign Ukraine exists, it will be a hotbed for this kind of pseudo terrorist attack.
But this kind of thing does push Russia towards the end goal of dismantling Ukraine as a sovereign state rather than simply taking the Donbas Republics and drawing the line there.
The original Russian policy (under Putin, no less) was to do the same kind of neoliberal puppeteering that Western states accomplished in Germany and Egypt and Japan. Use tight economic relations with the threat of targeted sanctions (and the occasional FSB knee-capper) to keep Ukrainian aristocracy in line. And the western response was to keep fanning the flames of insurrection until the country balkinized like a dropped egg.
Now he's pivoted back to a more traditional boots-on-the-ground occupation, a la America's domination of Haiti and Panama or the USSR dominion over Hungary and Czechoslovakia. And the western response has been to put up a losing counter-insurgency a la South Vietnam.
But the idea of Ukraine as a sovereign state was never really on the table. Ukranians had a shot at picking their own master back in the '00s/'10s. And they might have found a Turkey/Saudi/Israeli style middle-ground, where they played Russia and America off one another for a better position at the Cheap Imports / Military subsidies negotiating table. But they were always doomed to be beholden to someone.
As long as a sovereign Ukraine exists, it will be a hotbed for this kind of pseudo terrorist attack.
Ukranians had no chill. They simply couldn't resist doing their own little Serbian genocide in the East. And as Russia proved in Chechnya, that was a red line they weren't going to let Ukrainian fascists cross. Losing influence over the executive branch for a few years was a pill Putin could swallow (so long as Ukraine didn't mind giving up Crimea). But ethnic cleansing as a tool of political consolidation? Nah, dawg. Not on United Russia's watch.
But the idea of Ukraine as a sovereign state was never really on the table. Ukranians had a shot at picking their own master back in the '00s/'10s. And they might have found a Turkey/Saudi/Israeli style middle-ground, where they played Russia and America off one another for a better position at the Cheap Imports / Military subsidies negotiating table. But they were always doomed to be beholden to someone.
Yanukovych was trying this (libs saying he was Russian puppet are full of shit), but Yushchenko before him was typical comprador and i won't even mention the maidan gang.
As long as a sovereign Ukraine exists
Sovereign Ukraine don't exist since 2014 and won't exist even after the war, whatever's left of it will be either Russia or US protectorate. Russia would probably left it alone with just the neutrality declarations enshrined in law, but west gives them no room for any illusion of neutral Ukraine in every single of their relevant communicates.
why are you replying to tell me that when you already know i'm aware of it? to pose a rhetorical as a comeback. so this is completely redundant 😆
The better question is why you ask me to look up the design of the V rockets when I obviously know what they look like, lmao.
that's freaking badass. so, how did the v1 propellor bomb alter the trajectory of the reich in the end?
It didn't. Wait, you think my comment about Wunderwaffe and other people's comments on this post about it changing the tide of the war were serious and not ironic?
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not at first. after a few of these comments i started to wonder
also, i think i said v rocket at first instead of propeller bomb. i don't differentiate between ballistic missiles and rockets and drones and stuff enough. in my brain they are all filed under explodythingy. talking about ordnance and materiel too much makes me quite ill. my bad on that
That's hilarious.
I guess you're new here. This is a communist social platform, so don't expect people here to defend the Zelensky regime or Ukrainian nazis. Unironically defending nazis gets you an instant ban here. Shitposting and making fun of things is a big part of this community. But if you're an outsider, or not used to that sort of posting, then I guess you might not always get that someone's being ironic about something. We have a lot of in-jokes here.Doesn't make anyone immune to weird "Russian imperialists hoist by their own petard, methinks!" brain worms and wrapping around to saying this is cool or innovative. It's archaic.
I mean to throw cold water on this by pointing out this is an inaccurate vengeance weapon. This did not damage the actual production.
No, I'm not new, I have autism, and I seek clarification offen. I've been here since 2018, not always with an account or hosted on this site itself 👽, I just don't have time to pretend I live here (no offense) and I don't really believe in "online spaces". It's a channel where anyone can say anything until it's noticed or autopruned.
Are you familiar with the deprogram? You may not have picked up on it yet but their space houses a great quantity of people who think Venezuela and Iran are imperialist states, and they bring on guests who promote this (Konstantin Syomin). Despite coming on as a bunch of chummy communists
I think you're taking things way too literally and too seriously. People here are well versed and well aware of what's going on in Ukraine, and the ineffectiveness of their army and their weapons. Someone making a silly comment about how a Ukrainian rocket seems innovative (whether it actually is or not) doesn't mean they're in danger of suffering from brain worms. This seems like a pointless thing to focus on.
I'm familiar with The Deprogram, and they have a very different culture compared to Hexbear. I don't watch or listen to their stuff. If anyone here would say something like that (about Venezuela and Iran being imperialist states) they'd immediately get dog piled and bullied. This site does not follow the US state department line on anything. You would know that if you were here since 2018.
I think you're taking things way too literally
Always a struggle, very true
too seriously
Now I cry
I have a very serious narrative vs reality bias but i am confident no matter what you are all invested in the story of the liberation of the whole earth.
but i am confident no matter what you are all invested in the story of the liberation of the whole earth.
We're all comrades striving to liberate humanity from the shackles of oppression.
I just don't think it's the thought that counts or else I would be a new age christian
Now do a riff on the Crocus Hall attack. I've never seen you say anything that ruled out joking about more severe terrorism than this. I don't understand what drew you to Hexbear considering you beat around the bush like a liberal.
