Remember, it’s the queer people who are cringe.
Website won’t let me upload the second screenshot, I will put it in a comment if I can.
Inland Empire: "People need to know of your vast, oceanic soul."
That Dude: "My soul is immense."
Inland Empire: "Utterly. And it needs to be heard. Through a hate forum. By other people."
To the men reading this with some recognition: if you have been trained by society to see your own self worth as being only about what you can sacrifice of yourself for others, it’s possible to change that. It’s a slow, gradual, and difficult process, but you can learn to surround yourself with people who value you for who you are, to allow yourself to be vulnerable enough to accept that appreciation, to view yourself as innately worthy of love and attention, and to set healthy boundaries which protect your mental/emotional resources without isolating you from others. If you find yourself agreeing with this post, you’re not alone, but the path out is not to blame women. The patriarchy did this to you and the healing process will involve a lot of introspection and taking responsibility for things that are not necessarily your fault. That kind of self-determination is well worth it
Furthermore, Bell Hooks wrote about this extensively and it is a problem that feminists take seriously.
Yes, that’s a good point to mention. It is, in fact, a feminist issue
Turns out, most of the mens-problems that man-o-sphere freaks like to parade around as "feminists just hate men", are in fact being attempted by the feminist movement. They just never heard about it, because theres no fucking money to be made in curing men from patriarchy brainworms, compared to the amount you can make by shilling self-help bullshit and anger.
Why do these 4chan diaspora types always talk like this? Ceaselessly prattling on about this supposed great spiritual strife that ( western) men go through? They all use this highly dramatic and flowery prose that I guess its supposed to sound inspirational but they always end up sounding like a villain from a fucking Marvel movie. It's so corny!
This guy used an awful lot of words just to say "I and everyone else on this trash board are incapable of acting like normal human beings, so I have to retreat to my safe space so I can make fun of trans people on an anonymous forum."
great spiritual strife that ( western) men go through
For the majority of anglo men, the greatest hardship they face is not being able to say the n-word and hurt trans people.
Hey now, you’re forgetting about when my slave wage treat worker messes up my chicken nuggets
a fictional idea of manning the walls while your tradwife and child enjoy the safety you’ve created
manning the walls against what I never understood.
it's like when people say soldiers protect freedom, from what
It's "thin blue line" and by extension "dae fending off le zombies" :brainworms:
I think it really is Marvel-brain. Everything has to be deep and poetic because that's gritty and cool like those Batman moies because if he just came out and said "I'm sad and lonely" then that's him expressing feelings like some kinda homo.
I thought Marvel-brain was quippy and irreverent, unless the idea is shifting from quippy to Dying Wizard pretentiousness back and forth.
They all use this highly dramatic and flowery prose that I guess its supposed to sound inspirational but they always end up sounding like a villain from a fucking Marvel movie. It’s so corny!
It's also very common to talk that way in capital-R "Rationalist" circles. It's been called "Dying Wizard" format.
It’s been called “Dying Wizard” format.
I fucking love it. What a perfect name.
This is why Ignatius J. Reilly is the perfect embodiment of :reddit-logo: and Chan-types, just the most solipsistic, arrogant, alienated people on this planet, getting completely psychically destroyed over toys and treats changing slightly, violently hating anyone that don't want to play along with their nihilistic delusions of grandeur. Gifted children that thought that meant they wouldn't have to grow at all.
If Confederacy of Dunces was written decades later, Ignatius J. Reilly would go on and on about szechuan sauce. :pickle-liz:
absolutely. "Well, you see, it's about ethics in game journalism, not that I would expect you dimwitted cretins to understand that"
"Between notes, he had contemplated means of destroying Myrna Minkoff. His most promising scheme had involved getting a book on munitions from the library, constructing a bomb, and mailing it in plain paper to Myrna. Then he remembered that his library card had been revoked.”
standard incel discourse
Somehow you were completely able to channel Thooorin (Ginger-Esports journalist and self-professed esports historian) with that quote. It's fucking uncanny how much that "dimwitted cretin" sounds like him and his annoyingly right wing twitter.
Trying to be an internet knockoff of an already shitty philosopher like Nietzsche.
you are a soy beta cuck if you don’t constantly provide your family and hide your feelings because feelings are GAY
More that feelings are feminine, I think. But yes being gay = being feminine and giving up your maleness which is bad.
Being a man, to this man, means hiding your feelings and living in a very lonely and sad way. Part of being a man is having the strength to deal with that and if you can't then you give up your man card.
It's patriarchal bullshit all the way down.
Man, I can't even dunk, this is just so sad. Don't self-mutilate your psyche, folks, don't romanticize this incredibly liberal conception of a man as an island and instead embrace the people who love you and tell them that you love them back. :heart-sickle:
Gotta break out that bell hooks:
The first act of violence that patriarchy demands of males is not violence toward women. Instead patriarchy demands of all males that they engage in acts of psychic self-mutilation, that they kill off the emotional parts of themselves. If an individual is not successful in emotionally crippling himself, he can count on patriarchal men to enact rituals of power that will assault his self-esteem.
For a lot of these dudes, the raw sexism is a natural outgrowth of internalizing patriarchy so hard that they start performing those rituals of power on themselves. In the same way that cops give themselves PTSD by training themselves to imagine would-be killers lurking around every corner for their every waking moment. The call is truly coming from inside the house.
On themselves and others within their 'community', yeah. I wonder how far gone people usually already are when they decide to enter and stay in one of these toxic acid baths masquerading as online communities, wherein collective self-mutilation of this style is not only encouraged but rationalized as the only possible response to suffering
Go read bell hooks, folks, especially the rocking dudes of you
Chanlords often try to brag about how "numb" they are after watching snuff videos or whatever, and it's a competition among them to strive to be the most psychically mutilated unfuckable hate-nerd.
Don’t self-mutilate your psyche, folks, don’t romanticize this incredibly liberal conception of a man as an island and instead embrace the people who love you and tell them that you love them back.
I would like to, but really the only person/people that I can think of that are included there are my sister, her kids, and my granddad. I don't see any of them much, I'm probably gonna see less of them when I get to moving out, and one of them isn't gonna be around for very much longer.
And also, with regards to like emotional support, there's not a whole lot I can realistically ask of any of those parties myself.
The point was more to openly express your love for whatever people there are in your life, and to stop internalizing harmful self-images; to do the best with what you have. But yea, I'm aware that not everyone has these people in their lives, or is separated from them. This is, of course, where only collective struggle against capitalist alienation can provide lasting relief.
If it's any consolation, I don't think you really need a ton of people in your life to be contend. It's more about the quality of the relationships than the quantity, so if there are only a few people in your life you feel actually close to, with whom you can be somewhat vulnerable - that can be enough, or at least it is for me. It's probably 'normal', for whatever that's worth.
Women can't possibly be as deep and thoughtful as I am
Yeah, sure, okay
Well, you gotta remember he’s probably using harem anime girls or gatcha video game characters as a reference.
dudes get so deep fried in patriarchial ideology they believe its a fundamental law of the universe and not just a shitty mental health disaster they choose to drown in all day.
Yeah but my dude. Doth thou not know that I yearn to take the stars into mine will?
I had a lot of the same feelings about being a dude
Turns out it was dysphoria💅
I'm happy you could move out of these feelings by transitioning, but they aren't always disphoria. Being a man in modern society is horrifyingly isolating, and the way out isn't just transitioning for everyone. I had to find other men who didn't accept this as universal law or true at all and are open to sharing our burdens. I don't face a lonely sun by myself, my friends and I see a star together, and face whatever that means by each other's side.
What if I told you women aren't all social butterflies with an emotional support network?
What if I told you a lot of us have extreme trust issues created by abuse at the hands of men that cause us to recede into ourselves and avoid social relationships?
It's fucking lonely sometimes. But sure, women have no problems. It's not like we had to fight tooth and nail to get basic rights which are still being taken away every chance chuds get.
I can't hear you over the manic pixie dream girl I'm constantly projecting over my perception of you
Everyone has periods when they feel alienated and utterly alone, scorned by the world etc. Etc.
When I was a teenager the answer seemed to be to goth up, smoke very bad hash in the graveyard and drink snakebites.
Actually thinking about it, a lot of the goths at my school were girls so I dunno where the fuck the idea its only men who can feel like this comes from.
Women generally have more emotionally engaged friendships and support networks because stoicism isn't encouraged as much.
It's also that generally neither men nor women are taught to care about the mental health or social connection of men. Men generally can't get emotional support from women, either. Women won't extend that kind of intimacy and often actively derride the need for it. To get that kind of emotional support and intimacy as a men you almost have to find some kind of counter-culture group where people have put the work in to untangle their role in patriarchy and the expectations placed on them by patriarchy.
Speaking from personal experience. I'm drowning in isolation and lonliness but I can't seem to communicate that to any of my friends. No one ever asks how I'm feeling even though all my social media posts and communications for the last few years have been screaming in pain. It sucks.
Women are expected to do emotional labor for men, but I agree that once a man needs help it is almost impossible to get it. I hope you can find some better people for emotional help. :meow-hug:
Pop-stoicism, the distorted kind practiced by unfuckable hate-nerds, is a hell of a drug.
Classical stoicism has some flaws, but us a very fascinating philosophy and can be very useful. Modern stoics universally suck and need to stop being emotionally stunted weirdos
Makes a lot of sense. They gravitate to a sorta weirdish sense that they are basically the centre of the universe cos far less effort or expectation is put on them to see it otherwise maybe.
There's a bright green (and definitely strong enough to give you eye damage) laser-light sensor on one of the fan-balancer machines at my job. I think I remember my boss pointing it out to me & told me not to look at it when I started; but you're not really ever supposed to be able to see it anyways, cause it faces directly up towards the ceiling & normally you have a part directly overtop of it anyways.
So anyways I looked at the laser-light the other day when I was trying to clean the machine. :cri:
I maybe should have clarified that this was in response to the other dorks/fascists asking why trans people would want to be women if they aren’t going to be hotties.
Like they literally think that women can’t experience loneliness or existential dread.
Wow, women sound like they have a pretty good deal. Maybe one could live as a woman, right?
I know it's bad to say that every transphobe is repressing their gender identity, but when people have these really complicated takes on why it's very hard to be their assigned gender, and they also spend all their free time lurking on transphobic social media, it makes you wonder.
"Being born with a dick makes you impossibly smart and noble, but also, it's like hard to be that smart and noble"
Nothing more smart and noble than dedicating years to stalking trans people in the hopes of getting them to kill themselves. :galaxy-brain:
Btw dude, I've got a trilogy of sci-fi novels from a certain author that frequents Hexbear arriving at my house tomorrow
Who told you about my book? I'll have you know "Wage, Labor, and Snacks" is nonfiction.
What if I told you that men do this to each other and they can stop at any time.
Everyone else also expects this of men, so it's not like men being more empathetic of & supportive amongst each-other is gonna stop them from being emotionally estranged from women.
They can stop but a lot of them keep going because of the immediate consequences of stopping when other men nearby haven't yet stopped.
