• Lib: China bad
  • Actual leftist: It's not that simple and you're being lied to.
  • Lib: ok but China still bad
  • Actual leftist: Here are some sources to read up on.
  • Lib: ugh don't make me research, it's probably propaganda, and anyway, let me reiterate my point--China bad
    • gayhobbes [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Oh hey can you prove to me that you're not murdering people and hiding their bodies in a spot I could never find?

        • gayhobbes [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          some forced cultural assimilation

          Based on what info?

            • gayhobbes [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              The BBC journalist did not say the camps weren't "that bad", they were trying to make them seem really awful and failed completely. Is this the camp you're talking about?

        • BlueMagaChud [any]
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          4 years ago

          Ok, this is pretty reasonable, but just for some perspective, name one human community in all of history where ABSOLUTELY NO "human rights violations" occurred. States should put a lot of effort into preventing, discouraging, and educating against "human rights violations", but expecting that there will be 0 is unrealistic and dependent on who defines "human rights".

        • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
          1·
          4 years ago

          This is a good take and you can still hold this view and support China in their struggle with US imperialism.

            • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
              1·
              4 years ago

              That is actually a really good question. China has a role in global capitalism that is arguably the most important besides the USA/W.European core. With their Belt and Road project they are trying to turn themselves into a new core of trade and consumption and cut out the US in the process. I'm not sure what the plan is at the highest levels of the CPC, but I doubt they want to fall into conflict with the US for the foreseeable future while they are still building that.

              Really all "support China" means to us is not to start howling for blood over some imperialist bullshit the US is trying to push right now. The US is definitely uncomfortable with China's position right now, and are trying to confront them in order to check their growing influence. Don't contribute to the propaganda drive that calls for regime change or anything like that. Besides that, there isn't much else for us to do. China runs its own affairs and our role in America is not to support interference.