Link to reddit thread that sparked this question.

  • CommunistBear [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I will never understand why people keep calling Destiny a leftist, am I missing something? Dude is a landlord, was anti-BLM, and hangs out with nazis. What leftist positions does he claim to support? I'm entirely :jesse-wtf: on all twitch/twitter drama

    • FidelCastro [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Destiny's politically illiterate fans + the Va*shites that split from Destiny all believe they're leftists if I'm remembering correctly.

      • CommunistBear [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        he identifies as pansexual and genderqueer

        I'll be perfectly honest I did not expect that

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        his debate arc

        The first time I heard about him was because he was dunking on right wingers, I imagine for a lot of people who aren't plugged into Twitch's culture it's similar and that's their first impression of hi, even though on further examination it's clear that his primary political project is hating political projects.

          • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            That's where I knew him from and he was extremely toxic and used every slur under the sun. Even if he completely changed his act I still couldn't bare listening to his whiney ass do the Ben Shapiro school of talking really fast means you're right style of arguments.

          • SerLava [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            We only have to hear about this assclown because Fungal Growth was instant cast back in 2012.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Legal weed and free college (for le STEM and not le liberal basket weaving), probably.

  • clover [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Obviously not. A gusano can stop being a gusano because it has everything to do with political affiliation. Can’t stand those fucking nerds lmao

    …if gusano is a slur so is nerd lol

    • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      fuck that, nerd is more of a slur than gusano. nobody who was bullied for being a nerd set out to be one, we were just interested in stuff our peers wouldn't get into until after the Iron Man movie.

      no gusano ever killed themself over being bullied for their shitty politics, plenty of kids have.

      • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        no gusano ever killed themself over being bullied for their shitty politics,

        :sicko-no:

  • Redcuban1959 [any]
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    2 years ago

    No, it's just a way to call someone a counter-revolutionary/sellout, usually to the US

    There are other words we can use like vendepatria and viralata

    • FidelCastro [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      There are other words we can use like vendepatria and viralata

      but those words are also in Spanish!! oh no!

      :fidel-sarcastic:

  • FidelCastro [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    That thread is a bunch of the same reactionaries who were upset when Hasan said "cracker". It's also weird you didn't give context that this is specifically in relation to Hasan Piker doing "something"? Can you summarize whatever that comments section is malding about?

    • FidelCastro [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      After briefly skimming the :reddit-logo: comments, it looks like Hasan Piker called Destiny a gusano. He would be correct.

      from the comments:

      i mean, destiny is not even from cuba, he has cuban heritage + he's a leftist. I feel like the only reason somebody would use that slur against him would be because he has cuban heritage, which is absolutely weird coming from people that go really hard against using slurs towards minorities, but idk.

      there is no reality where destiny is a leftist. Destiny is a transphobic nazi who most recently threatened to dox a trans activist's family. Destiny is an anti-communist.

      My only critique of Hasan here is that he interacted with Destiny at some point.

      I'm not digging into this further because it's a waste of time, but someone else can if they care. Still strange that OP would post this question without any context (aside from a throwaway link most people won't click on).

      • LibsEatPoop [any]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        Destiny is not a leftist at all. That's just something his fans call him when it comes to defending him from attacks from actual leftists (like hasan). Otherwise, they completely side with lauren southern and nick fuentes and other literal actual fascists who Destiny pals around with.

        They want to "claim" that Destiny is a leftist so that the only reason why someone would call him a gusano would be as a slur against his heritage - when in actuality it is because of his reactionary beliefs.

        • FidelCastro [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          we agree. sorry for throwing a red flag at first, carry on.

          :fidel-salute:

      • FidelCastro [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        you can watch the video in question to see a nazi complain about "being canceled" and then rant about cumtown / chapo trap house.

        the nazi's has a very annoying voice, so I closed the window after a couple seconds.

    • LibsEatPoop [any]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I just added the link cuz that's what sparked the question. I was browsing LSF and saw the thread among all the other drama (that's summarized here). It really has no bearing on anything else (other than being the thing that led me to ask the question).

    • edwardligma [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      well in my jurisdiction, calling someone a scab is basically illegal (even on a poster) and can lead to fines of tens of thousands of dollars for causing emotional distress and fear, so its more or less officially considered hate speech

      :yea:

          • Azarova [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            :aus-delenda-est: every day i learn some new horrible little factoid about how the world is somehow just a bit worse than i thought

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I will give America this; Our attitude towards free speech means we have a lot more leeway to talk shit than in a lot of places.

            https://www.npr.org/2021/08/06/1024315097/how-a-beloved-giant-rat-won-free-speech-rights

            Courts have consistently ruled that Scabby is protected speech, which is nice even if the unions aren't as militant as is called for by the moment.

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      scab is a slur, but a slur isn't necessarily a racial slur.

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Hasan fans justifying the use of Gusano probably don't have a good argument why calling people N**ers is bad other than "it's le big ebil slur"

    Fuck gulags, Gamers get the wall instead. They are unsalvageable.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Same explanation as always; You can stop being a Gusano at any time by just shutting the fuck up about Cuba. You can't stop being black. Gusano is a pejorative for a specific political position.

  • FidelCastro [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    365. Memorandum From the Central Intelligence Agency Operations Officer for Operation Mongoose (Harvey) to the Chief of Operations, Operation Mongoose (Lansdale)


    Washington, August 6, 1962.

    SUBJECT

    • Operation Mongoose
    • "Gusano Libre," Symbol of Cuban Resistance

    Point 1:

    The term "Gusano" (worm) was first applied by Fidel Castro to counter-revolutionaries. Since then it has been used proudly as a symbol by the opposition to the Castro/Communist regime in Cuba. CIA plans a coordinated campaign to popularize, exploit and encourage the use of "Gusano Libre" as the symbol of resistance to the Cuban regime. So as to give the impression that adoption of the symbol is a spontaneous internal development and not an exile one, CIA controlled outlets will refer to instances of use of the symbol inside Cuba rather than calling on Cubans to adopt the symbol.

    Point 2:

    We intend to use the occasion of the next "Voice of Free Cuba" submarine operation planned for mid-August 1962 to announce that the "Gusano Libre" has become the symbol of popular resistance against the Castro regime, calling upon the people of Cuba to show their defiance of the government by scrawling this symbol in public places. The "Gusano Libre" campaign will expand upon this broadcast.

    Point 3:

    In order to give meaning to the symbol a declaration of principles will be announced.(US GOV LINK: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v10/d365#fn:1.5.4.4.1100.14.12.2) The declaration will cover such points as what the "Gusano Libre" stands for:

    a. Defeat of Castroism and Communism.

    b. Establishment of a truly democratic government based on the Constitution of 1940.

    c. A system of agrarian reform carried out under provisions of fair compensation to former land owners.

    d. The private ownership of property.

    e. A free trade union movement with the right of the worker to engage in collective bargaining with his employer.

    f. A minimum wage law, unemployment compensation, a social security system which ensures workers the prospects of a tranquil retirement.

    g. Social justice in which every individual has the right to obtain an education and work.

    Point 4:

    The general declarations will be followed by more specific pronouncements as to what the "Gusano Libre" stands for and says. In addition to publicizing "El Gusano Libre" through the use of radios, newspapers, and mailing operations, actions will be taken to provide the people in Cuba with pictures of "El Gusano Libre" as well as instructions on how to draw "El Gusano Libre" on walls and other public places. A small bulletin titled "El Gusano Libre" will be prepared for inside distribution. Gusano Libre pins, armbands, seals, pencils, balloons, etc. can also be produced for inside distribution via mail, legal travelers and propaganda balloons.

    Point 5:

    Once the "Gusano Libre" symbol is established "Gusano Libre" actions will be broadened to include such targets as the G-2 and Soviet/Satellite personalities.

    Point 6:

    Much of the "Gusano Libre" propaganda cartoons, and related material is already developed and will be put into production and distributed following the "Voice of Free Cuba" broadcast announcing the adoption of the "Gusano Libre" as the symbol of Cuban Resistance.

    William K. Harvey (Printed from a copy that bears this typed signature.)

    Source: Department of State, ARA/CCA Files: Lot 66 D 501, Mongoose Operations. Top Secret; Sensitive.

    US Gov hosted copy: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v10/d365

  • Rojo27 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I'd say no. It has way more to do with the person's political leanings than their race or ethnicity. Not sure if I've ever seen it in reference to the Hispanic community as a whole. But I could be wrong.

    • FidelCastro [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Gusano was coined by Fidel Castro to refer to counter-revolutionaries.

      • Rojo27 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Ah, didn't realize Fidel was the one to coin the term. Thanks:fidel-cool:

  • stevaloo [they/them, she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Imagine how fucking quickly they'd shift the goal posts if people actually respected this take and just used worm.

    :wojak-nooo:"Gusano is a slur!"

    :gigachad:"Okay, worm."

    :soypoint-1:"That leftist is referring to cubans as lowly insects."

  • cynesthesia
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    9 months ago

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  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    no, it's a slur that refers to a political category, not a racial one. of course liberal big brains also like to think that "kulaks" were a racial group and not an economic group, so maybe they have no idea what they're talking about and are just calling the thing they don't like racist on spurious grounds.