This is what I'm starting to think. She obviously can't win a primary, even with her experience at VP. This is their only shot. They tried really hard to make her a thing in 2020.
What do y'all think?
The funniest thing that could possibly happen is Trump and Biden both dying shortly before the election
Even funnier would be right after the election but before inauguration.
The candidates 90% of the popukation voted for are both dead. Do you preserve the veneer of democracy while abandoning the sacred norms and hold another election or do they fully rip off the bandaid stop even pretending to be a representative form of government and both just agree on a candidate 80% of the country despises.
I have said, and maintain, the funniest outcome would be Joe Biden losing the election and then them both dying, making Harris a lame duck president for like 3 weeks before she buggers off to hand it to whoever Trumps VP is. We've got the setup...all we need now is the punchline....
My want of both dying mid debate during the same debate, and preferably the same question, is still alive
can't wait for pete boot-edger vs nikki haley being set up as the 2024 candidates in the last month before the election or whatever
post election but before electoral college vote thingy is the greatest timeline
What order do you think would be funniest? I think probably Trump then Biden.
I think they have no idea what they’re doing and that there’s no one in charge of the Democratic Party in any meaningful sense. Whatever happens isn’t going to be the result of some grand plan cooked up by a group of key stakeholders deftly pulling levers, but rather the net result of a bunch of semi-independent actors flailing around trying to serve their own interests.
Having said all of that, I don’t think that anyone wants Harris to be the nominee. She’s probably the only candidate who could do worse than Joe Biden in the general. Maybe there are some people who want to glass-cliff her into losing the general, but there’s no plan to win. Trump is good for individual fundraising efforts, and probably good for downballot campaigns overall. This is the American political system working as designed, which is why it’s irredeemable garbage and should be destroyed at the earliest opportunity.
I'm inclined to agree that no one is in charge and there is no plan.
This is something that more people need to drill into themselves. It is a notion that permeates all aspects of American politics, that there is some clash of titans (in the lib mind) or some nefarious deliberate machinations being orchestrated by powerful backers of each party to create a literal political theater, but the reality is it's just physics.
Body in motion stays in motion until acted on by some sort of force. With no solid left wing movement to exert force against the body of Capital, it just keeps rolling on down hill toward the cliff of human extinction.
There is nobody in the driver's seat, we wadded up the ball of Capital and pushed it down the hill and now it's just rolling on toward its predictable destination we just couldn't see the cliff when we first started the ball in motion.
Something I've noticed studying systems theory is that liberalism is basically antithetical to systems thinking. The moment you apply a genuine systemic lens to individual choices at-scale, the whole thing falls apart fairly quickly. You pretty much have to assume that there's some kind of plan orchestrated by groups of individual actors, or else you have to accept that things don't happen because of the choices that people make, and if the choices people make aren't that relevant, then changing people's minds through education, debate, media, etc. doesn't actually matter that much. The status quo doesn't persist because of people's choices, the status quo is driven by those choices. Individual agency is already priced-in, so to speak, at both the low and high level. Even individuals in places of power are basically train conductors. They don't actually make any decisions about the direction they're going, they just run the train.
It's hard to get your head around at first, but once you start seeing that powerful people's decisions are a result of systemic forces, rather than the cause, a lot of stuff starts to make sense.
Controversial opinion but I think Kamala would do better than Biden in a general election. Policy wise the elites are fine with her, so no real push back from the capital class that wouldnt also be there for Biden, and shes not saddled with the age issue. She would lose votes for being a minority women, but most of those probably werent going to vote for Biden anyways?
I also think Harris would do better in a general election largely because I think fewer people know who she is.
Does Kamala even have, like, an ideal? Or policies? The only thing people seem to know about her is that she's a cop.
"All of your criticisms of her are because you hate minorities and women."
That's what she brings to the table, an easy, thought terminating defense for any criticism that let's them virtue signaling how not racist or sexist they are.
That's the ideal state of existence for libs
This would be the worst thing imaginable for wokeness™. Imagine the radlibs playing chud-style rhetorical idpol games with minorities as the ball like
They did that a lot with the Sanders campaign with their “black vote” obsession and getting mad when he called Hawaii the most diverse state. Apparently a majority Asian/hapa community isn’t diverse to them.
Absolutely, I got shit about that myself.
It would be like the Israel situation, where you have actual nazis saying (If you squint very hard) the same thing as leftists. Getting the right answer very much the wrong way.
Leftists: I hate president Harris for her policy
Chuds: I hate president Harris for her policy and the fact that she's a woman and not white.
Centrists:
That makes me wonder whether they would hate her more for being a woman or a minority. I'm leaning woman but I could be wrong.
Plan A was do whatever they want while telling the voters to suck their balls because that's what's worked for the last 30 years. And then if and when that doesn't work they get to be the opposition party who sends out fundraising letters and scolds any actual protestors.
I don't think Biden himself would go along with that, so if i had to make a guess without much thought put in, I'd say:
The dem establishment will WANT to and probably try to, but Biden won't have it and it'll lead to some very clear awkward bitterness between him and Harris
Based on how they've used Harris so far, and the stuff Harris said in debates with Biden, I imagine there's already a gulf of bitterness between the president and vice president
100p. I guess i just meant it would become ever more apparent, forward, obvious, and funny (to us)
Just thinking about stuff Biden has said about Obama and internally cringing at the future possibilities
Are we talking about the microaggressive "so eloquent and honestly a dream for african americans" bullshit, or was there worse
It's worse...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna16911044
"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.
God that was the quote I was trying to remember. And the settlers rly want me to vote for this racist ass anglo
Let's not forget that Joe Biden has a message for you!
The Democrats, folks!
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Who could have guessed making your vp pick the person whos biggest moment was calling you out for being an ancient racist might lead to a tense working relationship.
Both Biden and Harris were candidates set to receive the Dark God of Capital as His vessels.
It fried both of their brains. But Biden turned out slightly more functional than Harris.
