It is perfectly valid to criticise her for working with a sexpest serial self-admitted abuser, chaser and trans hating shit bag neoliberal grifter if she is criticising others of working with those with questionable lgbt party policies. The fact that she is a hypocrite highlights that she doesn't apply this moral belief in a principled way, and that brings to question whether there are alternative motives.
I am not the same person. Don't avoid my point. I genuinely don't care how you word it. She's FRIENDS with Vaush, you're right, that's actually worse than simply working with people you don't align with. I was in fact being more charitable with my phrasing compared to the other user.
I don't really care. This is a pretty obvious conjuration of the old-fashioned left-on-left circlejerk and I'm not going to assist you in falling for an op designed to undermine recent successes.
Which instance of "not playing nice" are you talking about? Overthrowing them was the right decision without a question. They were going to collapse the country back into fascism because they couldn't adequately judge the conditions of the situation. There was an actual reason that the action in question mattered, it wasn't just petty bullshit that needs to touch grass.
No, I thought you meant Keffals and responded to the standard bigot trope the only appropriate way. Apologies for misunderstanding you. You might be able to understand why, under current conditions, it would be a sore subject for trans people.
The fact that all of you idiots are falling for such an obvious op is pathetic. The fact that in order to do it, you have to twist my words is merely further proof of that fact.
Vaush is a piece of shit. The stupid horseshit game you all are playing is just playing right into the hands of the people obviously trying to manipulate things because she helped take the fucking farmers down.
How you gonna be on a marxist website and be so susceptible to obvious propaganda?
I think the fact that all of this horsecrap is circulating right now is a fucking op, and that would be obvious to you if you weren't falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
I also think attacking a trans person with the suggestion that she somehow doesn't care about transphobia is sick shit. We have enough enemies right now.
I don't care one way or another about Keffals, I care about people falling for an obvious op that is going to undermine one of the only effective campaigns to weaken the people who want all three of us dead!
it doesnt matter at all that principled leftist people don't care for someone with half baked and even regressive politics, who as someone else pointed out is not being attacked because of an op but because they did something to warrant backlash. it's not that hard to accept
It's all petty nonsense you're getting baited into both as a substitute for actual, meaningful politics, and another means of undermining an actual conflict with actual reactionaries. It is the simulacrum of politics without any materiality or connection to reality.
further, to say its an op implies there's a reason for it and the reason you're proposing is that she took down kiwifarms. but that's already done. saying its an op for this reason implies that she's the only one who could have done it, and will also probably do something worthwhile in the future that needs to be counteracted now by tanking her popularity.
which is a ridiculous angle to block criticism that requires a large helping of invested interest or parasociality to make in good faith. seeing someone fight and win (if only briefly, really) against platforming transphobia in such a concrete way is awesome yea but she's not worth dying on a hill over
Destiny has accounts on here? Cuz it sure sounds that way.
Vaush is a shit you will find absolutely no fucking friends of his here.
Vaush is a shit, but shitting out Destiny's talking points is fucking disgusting.
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He DID call trans people subhuman. For fuck's sake.
I'm talking about using him to attack Keffals because the circular firing squad has decided it is her turn.
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It is perfectly valid to criticise her for working with a sexpest serial self-admitted abuser, chaser and trans hating shit bag neoliberal grifter if she is criticising others of working with those with questionable lgbt party policies. The fact that she is a hypocrite highlights that she doesn't apply this moral belief in a principled way, and that brings to question whether there are alternative motives.
We've gone from 'is friends with' to 'works with' seemlessly, have we? Convenient.
I am not the same person. Don't avoid my point. I genuinely don't care how you word it. She's FRIENDS with Vaush, you're right, that's actually worse than simply working with people you don't align with. I was in fact being more charitable with my phrasing compared to the other user.
I don't really care. This is a pretty obvious conjuration of the old-fashioned left-on-left circlejerk and I'm not going to assist you in falling for an op designed to undermine recent successes.
Was the Bolsheviks not playing nice with the Mensheviks an instance of the "circular firing squad"
Which instance of "not playing nice" are you talking about? Overthrowing them was the right decision without a question. They were going to collapse the country back into fascism because they couldn't adequately judge the conditions of the situation. There was an actual reason that the action in question mattered, it wasn't just petty bullshit that needs to touch grass.
they're both paedophiles and no one here likes either of them
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are you disputing that both vaush and destiny are paedophiles?
No, I thought you meant Keffals and responded to the standard bigot trope the only appropriate way. Apologies for misunderstanding you. You might be able to understand why, under current conditions, it would be a sore subject for trans people.
aight, the convo seemed to be about vaush and destiny and people taking one or the other's line, but apologies for the confusion
No need to apologize. They have both engaged in unacceptable behavior with minors. I misunderstood you because of current context.
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The fact that all of you idiots are falling for such an obvious op is pathetic. The fact that in order to do it, you have to twist my words is merely further proof of that fact.
Vaush is a piece of shit. The stupid horseshit game you all are playing is just playing right into the hands of the people obviously trying to manipulate things because she helped take the fucking farmers down.
How you gonna be on a marxist website and be so susceptible to obvious propaganda?
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I think the fact that all of this horsecrap is circulating right now is a fucking op, and that would be obvious to you if you weren't falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
I also think attacking a trans person with the suggestion that she somehow doesn't care about transphobia is sick shit. We have enough enemies right now.
It's circulating right now because she uploaded a video.
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I don't care one way or another about Keffals, I care about people falling for an obvious op that is going to undermine one of the only effective campaigns to weaken the people who want all three of us dead!
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it doesnt matter at all that principled leftist people don't care for someone with half baked and even regressive politics, who as someone else pointed out is not being attacked because of an op but because they did something to warrant backlash. it's not that hard to accept
It's all petty nonsense you're getting baited into both as a substitute for actual, meaningful politics, and another means of undermining an actual conflict with actual reactionaries. It is the simulacrum of politics without any materiality or connection to reality.
further, to say its an op implies there's a reason for it and the reason you're proposing is that she took down kiwifarms. but that's already done. saying its an op for this reason implies that she's the only one who could have done it, and will also probably do something worthwhile in the future that needs to be counteracted now by tanking her popularity.
which is a ridiculous angle to block criticism that requires a large helping of invested interest or parasociality to make in good faith. seeing someone fight and win (if only briefly, really) against platforming transphobia in such a concrete way is awesome yea but she's not worth dying on a hill over