renuncing communism when i see a health worker take a smoke break :fidel-wut:
Political streamers are bad 100% of the time
lmao I got blasted on this site for saying she came across as being just as insufferable as Destiny. Many NATO leftists have a certain air about them that leftists outside that bubble can easily pinpoint. I'm sorry but any NATO leftist that calls themselves a Demsoc or Anarchist immediately gets a side-eye from me because it almost always leads to shit like this.
NATO leftists
Not a real thing. They're just imperialists. It doesn't matter how progressive they are on social issues when they only want equality and wealth redistribution in their country while supporting an organization that does shit like this
It's hard to tell sometimes. I think some of them, (not all of them, just some of them) sincerely want what's best for the whole world but are incredibly gullible about 1st world liberal propaganda. So when NATO says "Gaddafi was a dictator doing a genocide so we had to bomb him to save the Libyan people from him!" They believe that. When the IMF says "Our loans and structural adjustment programs help underdeveloped countries get on their own two feet!" They believe that. When America says "We're intervening to defend freedom and democracy!" they believe that. When someone says "The CIA used to overthrow governments but they don't do that anymore!" They believe that. They fail to imagine that they're being lied to about these things. And they draw a false equivalency between Nazis and Communists. The vague notion of "totalitarianism" allows them to imagine that the people who tell them what America is really up to are just a bunch of "tankie conspiracy theorists" who "falsely believe everything bad that happens is caused by the imperial core" It seems like a far-fetched narrative to them. Things are so bad that "those tankies have to be exaggerating! Surely the imperial core can't be that bad!"
i might be mentally ill, but I'd die to ensure that someone's material conditions were improved permanently, even slightly, no matter where in the world they are.
if you wouldn't, then great job: you're less depressed then me but you're also a lib
I may be a dumbass in all other respects, but I am always anti-NATO & pro-3rd world independence projects.
Post it in the emoji suggestion thread
Then when you find it, let me know where it is
I'm a busy man, I haven't had time to check yet
Remembering when some "breadtuber" agreed on some livestream that nuking North Korea is good.
Think it was the hbomb guy or something.
NATO leftists
Over here in the UK we call them right wing neoliberals, because that's what they are functionally.
Anyone that aligns with the right wing of Labour is not even a soft socialist or a radlib. They are garbage.
Ok, She's a cringe lib and she's awful for doing shit like this and her pinkwashing photo op with that cop; but come on, she's nowhere near as horrible as Destiny. He's 1 scratch away from being a goose-stepping nazi, he literally called for protesters to be shot during the BLM protests because he didnt want them to hurt Biden's chances. There's just 2 different levels of bad here and K is way above D
I just have no patience for people who talk shit about Cuba or Nicaragua. To me that's just as bad. Stay out of Latin America if you're going to peddle state department bullshit.
Edit: Going to add that yes there's plenty of room for Nicaragua and Cuba to improve on, especially Nicaragua. But I prefer to hear those criticisms from comrades living in the area and not some NATO leftist that adds nothing new to the conversation. She's very fortunate to even have a nurse tend to her as a trans women. Go try that shit in Honduras and see what happens. She probably wouldn't make it out alive with how heavily anti-trans the country is.
Anyone living in a NATO country that parrots state department talking points against these countries are ultimately helping to push a narrative that results in regime change. That regime change would turn Nicaragua into Honduras and Cuba into the Dominican Republic. Both are loyal US puppets that also happen to have extremely high levels of poverty and dogshit human rights. This is why I think that's on the same level of Destiny advocating police violence against protestors.
There is nobody as insufferable as Destiny.
(content warning insufferable lib)
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For the past 2 weeks, Destiny has been promoting that he was going to have Jordan Peterson on his show. On October 2, he told his viewers that he lied to trick people to coming to his show so he could release his new manifesto. He wrote a manifesto called Keffals is an "internet terrorist" and released a 3.5 hour video reading the entire document. The video has 500,000 views.
Not as delusional as the people who sat and watched that 3.5 hour long video as entertainment.
Thats fair, I took "as insufferable" to mean "equal to" and that's a bad reading of the comment on my part
Was this while Keffals was actively working to deplatform kf? anyone going after her during that was effectively working in their favor.
That’s resolved, I’m fine criticizing her. This video is cringe and she’s punching left. I also wouldn’t say she was Destiny tier that dude is literally a nazi.
who cares about any of these people
"[insert eceleb here] doesn't have good enough politics" is a categorically liberal complaint. just ignore them. what next, you're gonna whine that MSNBC doesn't air enough gritty fancams?
? Criticizing a popular streamer for stirring up drama with a communist and making anti-communist videos is not liberal. Ignore her all you want but Keffals is a public figure who's using her platform to spread her anti-communist views and its perfectly fine to want to criticize her for that.
And if we cant criticize the views of streamers then are we also not allowed to criticize v*ush for his crap?
You wouldn't know he existed but he still would exist and he would be spreading the same state department approved lies as he's always done.
Keffals otoh has become a superstar among lefty twitter users becuase of her campaign against terfs. Its good people are pushing back against the anti-communist shit she spreads because shes able to launder it better than a slime ball like vaush is.
Exactly. The "just ignore it and it'll go away" shit that some people on this site do is fucking ridiculous.
I mean, in some cases thats definitely true, some online stuff is pure drama bait, and retweeting/posting about that stuff to dunk on it gives the person posting it what they want. But with stuff like this, where Keffals has built a large following off her charity and social justice work and is now using said clout to spread an anti-communist message to her viewers, it's important to get the pro-communist side out there to counter her.
I agree 100%, well said.
The online anti-communist western "left" do absolutely have real world influence, and they need to be called out for their bullshit.
Jordan Peterson gets a tremendous amount of airtime on this site. I don't follow him whatsoever, but I am ruthlessly kept up to date about what he thinks about today's issue.
no. shut up about that guy. enough. not only are his politics bad, he's personally very annoying, and internet marxists who hate him have only made him worse.
This is just blaming other people for his actions. If hes bad its because hes bad, not because someone here dunked on a stupid take he had and it "made him worse". The same exact thing applies to keffals
i'm not blaming other people for his actions, i'm blaming other people for telling me about his actions, which i do not care about
also his career has absolutely benefited from a "social" media environment in which some asshole having a stupid opinion is of the utmost political import to self-styled radicals, i don't see how that could be even a little controversial
Posting on a public forum is not "telling you" about anything. You dont like vush or keffals fine, dont read threads about them.
And none of this is of "utmost import", its a thread on hexbear lmao. No ones out there killing themselves over keffals being a chud, its just disappointing and so people want to talk about it. I really do not see what the issue is.
it's not even that i don't like them. it's that other people who also don't like them still won't shut up about them! i'm not going on the voosh subreddit and yelling at the little twerps to stop talking about him, i'm yelling at people here who want the twerps to stop talking about him to use their dang noggins.
You could just let people hate stuff its nbd
This is literally the dunk tank, if we didn't talk about stuff that sucked it wouldnt exist
I got blasted on this site for saying she came across as being just as insufferable as Destiny
on this site, of all places :sadness:
the trans vtubers are posting cringe again :deeper-sadness:
if i could make a good wage doing it i would redeem the trans vtuber scene but im not a fan of having a bunch of neckbeards try to hunt me down like some white guy hunting giraffes in south africa. also real talk i love shitposting but i could not just bloviate on screen and make it interesting forever like these people do. maybe just do what bernie does and have a stump speech i repeat for 50 years
im not a fan of having a bunch of neckbeards try to hunt me down like some white guy hunting giraffes in south africa
jesus fucking christ kristina lmfao
Consider retaining a security detail of hexbear users trained in the art of martial posting
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I think you'll find our rates quite agreeable
also real talk i love shitposting but i could not just bloviate on screen and make it interesting forever like these people do.
You could try tik tok, or whatever platform still exists. But if avoiding the former issue is a serious concern then, it would prbly be best to stick to poasts.
So she left the communist party because she wanted to support a colour revolution where the leaders literally met US politicians?
Westerners really think the world is their play toy. Literal "we coup who we want" Musk style mindset lol.
She left the Communist Party over their continued work with the virulent transphobes and homophobes in the Communist Party of Greece.
Destiny has accounts on here? Cuz it sure sounds that way.
Vaush is a shit, but shitting out Destiny's talking points is fucking disgusting.
I'm talking about using him to attack Keffals because the circular firing squad has decided it is her turn.
:meow-knife-trans:
It is perfectly valid to criticise her for working with a sexpest serial self-admitted abuser, chaser and trans hating shit bag neoliberal grifter if she is criticising others of working with those with questionable lgbt party policies. The fact that she is a hypocrite highlights that she doesn't apply this moral belief in a principled way, and that brings to question whether there are alternative motives.
We've gone from 'is friends with' to 'works with' seemlessly, have we? Convenient.
I am not the same person. Don't avoid my point. I genuinely don't care how you word it. She's FRIENDS with Vaush, you're right, that's actually worse than simply working with people you don't align with. I was in fact being more charitable with my phrasing compared to the other user.
I don't really care. This is a pretty obvious conjuration of the old-fashioned left-on-left circlejerk and I'm not going to assist you in falling for an op designed to undermine recent successes.
The op here is that the Greek left are literally the strongest left in all of fucking Europe going into a period of immense energy crisis, shutdown of industries and literal power rationing. A shitty internet forum disappearing pales in comparison to the importance the actual offline left holds in europe at this moment in time.
I do not agree with their line but ffs this is on par with the shits who attack latin american parties for not having a perfect party line on lgbt issues at highly critical moments in time. This shit ALWAYS comes from white people in northern america.
It is unfortunate that my rights are less important to you than a party that has no chance of accomplishing anything under current conditions and is just playing to reactionaries. I will never criticize anyone for fighting against transphobia wherever it is found. If it exists within the left, it must be purged. Period.
Nor will I be your convenient fucking sheep to the slaughter. Work with transphobes on your own. It would be quite concistent with much of what I see here.
Thank you for the reminder that cis people can never be trusted.
Kollontai your rights are my rights we are not different on this issue and it's kind of shitty that you've just assumed we are. Nor am I trying to slaughter you. I'm trying to get through to you that you are not being strategic whatsoever, you are not considering the material conditions, and you are demanding perfection at absolutely the wrong moment in time.
With all due respect, subjugating trans rights and dignity to silence all criticism of a party that has no chance of accomplishing a meaningful break from capitalism under current conditions is tremendously shitty. I am not demanding perfection, I am refusing to serve people who refuse to see me as human and worthy of respect. I will never consider it appropriate to ask any person to be silent about organizations or powerful individuals who do not treat them as human beings or who subject them to bigotry.
If by 'your rights are my rights' you mean that you are also trans, then I apologize, but I want you to know that you don't have to accept being treated like this. We are allowed to demand our own dignity. Those who seek to stop us because we are inconvenient will always find new reasons to deem us inconvenient.
No one's saying don't criticise. All that's being said is that it is the wrong ass time when half of europe is on the knife edge of the conditions for uprisings and they most of all are poised to take advantage of it.
This shit stinks of the same nerds on reddit that tried to claim we should not support Petro and his party because they are anti-lgbt. They are objectively worth our support despite the fact that they have a policy we would like to see changed because literally everything else about them is strategically beneficial to us and WHAT WE WANT, we can change that shit more easily with the people being comfortable than with the people being uncomfortable.
I don't accept "being treated like this" I'm just significantly more in-tune with recognising who and what is strategically the most beneficial thing to do in this scenario and that's to shut the fuck up and work with the left, the WHOLE left, whoever the fuck they are and whatever brainworms they have that aren't ideal, because the alternative right now is economic decay into fascism. We literally have a fascist party in Italy, next fucking door to Greece. "At least I didn't support those anti-lgbt commies!" is not the right thing to be shouting while they kart us into the gas chambers.
Observe the material conditions that currently exist and ask yourself what the most strategically beneficial thing to be doing for lgbt people is. I assure you it's not splitting the left over us at a crucial time of massive crisis. Could things be better? Fuck yeah they could. But they're NOT. We have the existing left, with it's issues, and we have to make the best of it.
You can bet your damn ass I was fighting with CPGB and CPB in the uk over this shit 1 year ago and for years before that. And I will probably be fighting with them when the crises have past and the moment is correct for it. But now? Fuck no. Now is an absolutely crucial time for people to close ranks and unite.
I do not believe that the Communist Party of Greece is in a position that demands its protection. I think that their success will ultimately be subject to what happens in Germany and France and, quite frankly, I do not think they have the general cache to be a functioning vanguard should shit pop off. Given that fact, I don't think the strategic situation is as you describe it. That said, even if it were I would not be silent, because I'm not calling for some melodramatic split. I'm calling for them to fix their shit and I'm calling on orgs that choose to partner with them not to silence people speaking up for their own dignity against unacceptable practices by titular comrades. The idea that explicit criticism is somehow going to ruin everything is just non-credible. Unless the Greek party are petty enough to screw things up over being criticized, I guess.
Moreover, I would encourage you to understand that these people will just as gladly let the fascists lead us to the gas chamber as all of the milieu of reactionaries they work with in advancing their bigoted agenda. They know who they stand with today on trans issues and they continue to willingly stand with them. They are not unaware that they are making common cause with fascists and other reactionaries. They are all one movement right now. They cannot be trusted.
Moreover, I would encourage you to understand that these people will just as gladly let the fascists lead us to the gas chamber as all of the milieu of reactionaries they work with in advancing their bigoted agenda. They know who they stand with today on trans issues and they continue to willingly stand with them. They are not unaware that they are making common cause with fascists and other reactionaries. They are all one movement right now. They cannot be trusted.
Nah. This is so far removed from the reality on the ground here that it resembles :fedposting:. Think I'm gonna logoff for the evening we're only gonna disagree and I'm not down for a screaming match with someone that thinks this.
They are not ignorant of the situation. They know who is stoking the panic and rage against us and they know what that panic is trying to achieve. I will not do them the disservice of pretending they are too stupid to understand who is served by transphobia.
Was the Bolsheviks not playing nice with the Mensheviks an instance of the "circular firing squad"
Which instance of "not playing nice" are you talking about? Overthrowing them was the right decision without a question. They were going to collapse the country back into fascism because they couldn't adequately judge the conditions of the situation. There was an actual reason that the action in question mattered, it wasn't just petty bullshit that needs to touch grass.
No, I thought you meant Keffals and responded to the standard bigot trope the only appropriate way. Apologies for misunderstanding you. You might be able to understand why, under current conditions, it would be a sore subject for trans people.
aight, the convo seemed to be about vaush and destiny and people taking one or the other's line, but apologies for the confusion
No need to apologize. They have both engaged in unacceptable behavior with minors. I misunderstood you because of current context.
all good, but it's fair - it should never be implied that trans people are sex offenders just because of their existence, and if my post wasn't clear enough to the point that it could be interpreted that I was implying that, then I should be clearer and more careful.
Not being combative here, it was a misunderstanding but i could have done better.
I think it was less you than external context imposing meaning you didn't intend. Thank you for caring.
The fact that all of you idiots are falling for such an obvious op is pathetic. The fact that in order to do it, you have to twist my words is merely further proof of that fact.
Vaush is a piece of shit. The stupid horseshit game you all are playing is just playing right into the hands of the people obviously trying to manipulate things because she helped take the fucking farmers down.
How you gonna be on a marxist website and be so susceptible to obvious propaganda?
I think the fact that all of this horsecrap is circulating right now is a fucking op, and that would be obvious to you if you weren't falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
I also think attacking a trans person with the suggestion that she somehow doesn't care about transphobia is sick shit. We have enough enemies right now.
I don't care one way or another about Keffals, I care about people falling for an obvious op that is going to undermine one of the only effective campaigns to weaken the people who want all three of us dead!
it doesnt matter at all that principled leftist people don't care for someone with half baked and even regressive politics, who as someone else pointed out is not being attacked because of an op but because they did something to warrant backlash. it's not that hard to accept
further, to say its an op implies there's a reason for it and the reason you're proposing is that she took down kiwifarms. but that's already done. saying its an op for this reason implies that she's the only one who could have done it, and will also probably do something worthwhile in the future that needs to be counteracted now by tanking her popularity.
which is a ridiculous angle to block criticism that requires a large helping of invested interest or parasociality to make in good faith. seeing someone fight and win (if only briefly, really) against platforming transphobia in such a concrete way is awesome yea but she's not worth dying on a hill over
It's all petty nonsense you're getting baited into both as a substitute for actual, meaningful politics, and another means of undermining an actual conflict with actual reactionaries. It is the simulacrum of politics without any materiality or connection to reality.
one of the biggest reasons she quit her party was not being allowed to support the HK protests
Sigh. I'm a strong proponent of the "let her be cringe for awhile, she took down kiwifarms and had a bad time, no one is perfect." approach to Keffals, but this isn't fucking helping.
Also, has she met a nurse before? They all smoke like fucking chimneys because the job is inherently stressful.
A good number of hospitals in the US have started banning smoking outright. It's just another drug test on top of all the other ones but checking for nicotine. You leave the hospitals though and a good chunk of the staff are all smoking. Where I work the CNAs smoke and as long as they don't come back reeking of cigarette smoke I don't give a damn because the smell can trigger breathing issues with some people.
Do people know smoking is bad? Yeah. But a good chunk of healthcare staff are also overweight, is that not basically the same thing in this context? We know that being a healthy weight will allow us to live longer healthier lives, but also, you snack through the day, you eat for comfort, you do a bunch of stuff to deal with the stress, you're super tired when you get home.
Things Keffals hates about Marxism Leninism:
Muh Show TrialsMuh AuthoritarianismMuh Stalin's Giant SpoonVietnamese Streamer Lady Talk On Camera :guts-rage:
shes a white liberal so theres your answer
luna isnt "one of the good ones"
Case in point, all the nurses that pull their masks down to talk to each other at the nurse's station.
Unfortunately Kiwifarms is back to normal and she has given up on taking it down. She only had it down for 2 weeks. It really does seem like she was using the kiwifarms thing to raise donations for the fake legal fund.
I made an alt because last time there was a thread on Keffals a few people got banned for calling her a grifter.
Here is her legal fund if you want to verify yourself https://www.gofundme.com/f/clara-sorrenti-keffals-moving-legal-fund
Of course I don't KNOW, but I genuinely don't think she has any intent to use the legal fund as a legal fund.
https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1558491742583656448
There are other instances of her saying it, this is the first one I found. The reason she got so much money is because of how expensive legal fees can be. If she doesnt actually go through with it it would extremely scummy imo.
People get banned all the time, why risk my main on this?
Sounds like I'll have this cool new alt for a long time then lol
A few months ago she raised 100K in donations saying she needed to it to sue the police who swatted her, among other things. The lawsuit would have no chance of winning and she hasn't said anything about following through on it. It feels like it was a lie to boost donations and she's just going to pocket the money.
Can't believe you got down voted for this innocuous comment :marx-angry:
Last I heard the site is stuck on the dark web, so you need a tor browser to access it. And even then it goes offline very frequently at weird times. Very unstable.
You can't take them down as in delete them from the internet, but aside from the straight up prosecution of its userbase that's the best you're gonna do.
but she didn't take it down, it's on the same domain it's been on this whole time, and she refuses to acknowledge it's back up. It was just down for a few days.
a Vietnamese streamer selling some plot of government issued land
for 16k usd converted lol. taking a loan for that even at current exploitative american interest rates would be 300 bucks a month and would be affordable by most vietnamese
I'm really disappointed. The kiwifarms thing was a huge win, so to see her pivoting to petty infighting over something this silly is just upsetting. There's so much going on right now, why punch at another leftists over something trivial?
Out of curiosity I, someone who has never been on kiwifarms, decided to visit it to see if this was true.
Typed in kiwifarms .com, and a 404-type page came up.
Googled kiwifarms and accessed their site, where it endlessly failed to load anything.
So make of that what you will. Because last I heard it was stuck on the dark web because they can't find hosts and its unstable going offline for frequent periods.
It is .net
Now you know. They are still posting threads about harassing trans people. As of right this moment.
getting kiwifarms and destiny banned is funny and good but yeah from what I can tell she's politically basically the same as vaush
I can tell she’s politically basically the same as vaush
Apparently she's friends with v*ush so that would explain it lol.
I don't watch streamers so please correct me if I'm wrong here
Keffals always struck me as someone whose political ideology was vibes-based more than anything tbh
remembering when I was banned from her discord for defending the DPRK, I am extremely unsurprised. The larger your audience gets, the more libs with brainworms you have pushing back against ML ideals. Didn't she used to identify as ML a few years ago? I remember seeing that floating around here somewhere.
Otoh is Hasan, still the only socialist online who hasn’t diluted his messaging despite getting bigger (and getting a lot of criticism from anti-ML socialists).
when she does copaganda for an occupying security force: i sleep
when she insults another streamer: this threadnever change hexbear lmao
Half of this site probably agreed with her when she did the HK bs
What's up with that thumbnail Jesus Christ.
This person made fun of the progress flag, took pictures with cops and makes video thumbnails like that?
Weird pattern of behaviour, when you put those three together.
it is a weird flag. we're just gonna keep adding new bars until it slowly morphs into ohio
symbolism adapting to better include the people in a movement is a good thing.
i guess, i just consider the rainbow flag to already be a catch all
like i dont really see why we gotta poof the trans stripes on it we already got a baller symbol for trans stuff (both the trans symbol and the flag). can just do a league of nations thing with a ton of flags lmao
white western leftists stop being libs challange: Impossible!!!
