It's just that Arabs were shit talking since the ancient times
Any ancient bangers I might want to look up? Nothing like proper old school shit talking.
I was trying to find a specific one but couldn't find it in English. The genre of shit talking is called "hija' poetry" or satirical arab poetry you can find stuff from pre islamic time periods but good luck translating it
I have an irl friend who is fluent, I’ll find a way to bribe him into figuring it out. Thanks!
Not exactly Arab but a Hittite king said Armenians are inbred xenophobic assholes As an Armenian it always makes me chuckle
A lot of the surviving Bronze Age writings are sassy
Even as a child I heard that and was like "They hate us because of our freedom? That doesn't make any sense at all, they said we bombed them? That seems more likely the reason"
It was crazy to live through this and be completely alone with the thought that maybe the plausible motivation was the actual motivation.
If you as much as hinted towards US/Western foreign policy being a factor in why the ”terrorists hate us” at the time, you might as have worn a shirt with ”I ❤️ OSAMA” on it.
I would have been tempted to do that as a rebel kid if I saw that shirt lol, around that time for halloween I went as a guerilla soldier with an AK airsoft gun, not explicitly anti-American but I knew what side I was on ahah.
I always thought the "they hate us for our freedoms" thing was a bit/joke from a comedian or SNL, similar to Sarah Palin's "I can see Russia from my house" stuff, I never realised that Bush Jr actually said that...
That man was deeply unserious but also incredibly evil.
At the time, everyone I knew thought him every bit the dangerous buffoon Trump is considered now. But the feeling that he was emblematic of imperial decline felt much more abstract, the overreach had just begun in earnest under him. I remember the competent libs howling "you can't DO that!" to the Patriot Act and violations of treaties and international law and watching that whole admin ride tidily into the sunset laden with dollar sign bags, secure in the knowledge that the consequences weren't even a little bit their problem.
(Most of those same libs didn't say shit when it was Clinton, Obama, or Brandon doing the same things)
Check out season 1 of Blowback for more wacky/terrifying Bush admin hijinks
At the time, everyone I knew thought him every bit the dangerous buffoon Trump is considered now.
I had immigrant parents, who didn't talk much English at home or US politics much. In elementary school I'd pass as white until you realize I have heavy accident 1/5 the vocab as everyone else. Bush was the the middle school and high school era for me. What I personally witnessed felt like Bush seemed to do bad things 24 like a cartoon villain but every fucking adult loved him because he was a Christian man and was going to end satanism and abortion or something. I moved way up north before Obama, and when he won the election everyone rejoiced like it was going to change everything.
At the time, everyone I knew thought him every bit the dangerous buffoon Trump is considered now.
Yeah I wasn't exactly politically engaged at the time (was small child) but reading works from the time, especially Alison Bechdel's Dykes to Watch Out For, was illuminating for me about how little has changed. The frustrated liberals seeing how bad the situation in the world is but utterly failing to make the connections needed to actually fight back, the derangement that set in after Bush's stolen first election, etc.
I also read a book of essays written under clinton about (basically) the coming dominance of computer technology and its many downsides and deprivations if implemented under US capitalism. Seeing clinton's "technology=progress=moral good" BS condemned and many of the more predictable outcomes of the rise of the PC/web pointed out was nice.
I remember people online (Americans mostly, but other Islamophobes and racists too) unironically saying that the terrorists hate the Western world for our freedum.
On 9/11, less than an hour after the attack in 2nd period math class, this is the exact reasoning my teacher gave to the class.
Also I remember lots of people saying the terrorists won because we lost a lot of freedoms (TSA, NSA, Patriot Act, etc.)
And that's why have to go to the mall this weekend, to defeat al quaeda
This sounds like a joke, but Bush did basically say this. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4552776/user-clip-bush-shopping-quote
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This was another time where as a kid you're just like smells like bullshit but the adults say it's true I guess so let's go look at poo candles at Spencer's gifts to save freedom
I seem to recall a lot of shade on bush by normie liberals back in that time. However I have heard those same liberals say W was a good guy and they wish Republicans were still like him.
I can't even... Like, what?
More americans would know what Letter to the American People is about if it was a diss track instead of a literal letter
September 13th 2001, Tool took to the stage. Maynard James Keenan spoke briefly about the attacks. Paraphrasing, he suggested an inward look at ourselves as a country. The crowd began to chant "USA USA" to which Maynard responded
"you all are going to be really bummed out when you find out the U.S. did this to itself."
Read More: Tool Was Set To Perform 20 Years Ago In Grand Rapids On 9/11 | https://wgrd.com/tool-was-set-to-perform-20-years-ago-in-grand-rapids-on-911/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
Libs today will (hopefully) recognize that the "They hate us for our freedoms" line was BS (though they fell for it at the time), but then they'll turn around and call you a Russian bot if you say it's important to at least hear out the stated motivations of geopolitical rivals instead of believing whatever the news says.
They'll oppose every war except the ones happening in the present.
free men do not forfeit their security.
Osama bin Laden
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Benjamin Franklin
idk where I'm going with this, maybe that they were both broken clocks?
Makes sense, one started the State Department, the other was contracted by it
inspired me to make this smh, im getting better at image editing ngl
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Over a long enough timeframe, broken clocks will be right many times.
That doesn't make them more accurate than functioning ones
"We did 9/11 because America supported Russia" is such a hilariously bizarre thing to be entirely true
Top Tier cliches I remember:
- "They hate us for our freedoms."
- "We gotta fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight them over here."
- "We can't cut and run."
Honorable mentions:
- "Mission Accomplished"
- "Who cares about WMD? Saddam was a bad guy. We freed the Iraqi people!"
- "The troop surge is working."
- "Building democracy takes time."
the great thing about these cheers was that they were all completely false, but they were stated as obvious axioms by everyone from the $500 haircut in the $5000 suit on TV down to the retiree in the 55 and up only HOA trailer park obliterated by a hurricane, sending his last $50 to a televangelist with a private jet.
The one that I'll always remember is my aunt claiming that if not for the US military, she'd be in a niqab. She'd say it all the time and people would solemnly nod as if that made sense at all.
"you have to go out and shop so everything looks normal otherwise the terrorists win"
maybe OBL was dead in 2002 but i'm not going to take it as fact from a website with a "COVID deception" category on the front page
Gotta say, posting that is a major L. That is absolutely not a credible site. Even if you believe he died in 2002, that is not where I would go looking for a source.
Also, I personally believe he was alive because all the seals argue about which of them was the one who actually got to pull the trigger finally.
Anyways, really sad to see you post cringe like this, hope you make a full recovery soon.
Yeah, all of them aggressively jockeying to be known as 'the man who shot Bin Laden' is what pretty much convinced me they did kill him
I don't doubt that they shot somebody who they were told was OBL. Recall that the SEALs blasted his face into a crater, as ordered, which would make a positive identification at the scene difficult. No photos or DNA samples were taken.
You've probably faced the frustrating situation in which a liberal refuses to engage with a well-reasoned article simply because they dislike the source. I bookmarked that page before the pandemic began and I was unaware that the authors had taken a Max Blumenthal-esque turn. That Off-Guardian piece was little more than a collection of articles from mainstream news websites. I've reduced it to its underlying layer of sources.
Cheers, comrade.
Fair enough, I think you're original comment is removed so if you edited it, I can't really see it. If you want to make it a proper post some time I'd be happy to try and give it a proper read.
