"A measure of abnormal long put volume was also examined and seen to be at abnormally high levels in the days leading up to the attacks. Consequently, the paper concludes that there is evidence of unusual option market activity in the days leading up to September 11 that is consistent with investors trading on advance knowledge of the attacks".[67] —Allen M. Poteshman, The Journal of Business
If there was insider trading my bet is a saudi in the know saw an opportunity to make a quick buck and took it. Maybe their broker maybe saw some weird trades called in directly by a very powerful client and decided to try and roll with it. I'd be shocked if the "financial sector" as a whole had any sort of idea what was going to happen given how many hedge fund managers died in the attack.
Yeah it only takes a small number of investors acting weirdly to trigger an abnormal reaction by others. So it could be a coincidence or it could be one or two Saudis knew what was up. Osama had a big family connected with big Saudi businesses.
There's no chance a large number of investors knew about the attacks. It would get out.
If a large number of investors knew about it and took advantage to make a ton of money, at least one of them would have stupidly bragged about it, and we would know.
tfw you just happen to forget the concept of kinetic energy while crafting your grand conspiracy of how jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
Or that steel doesnt have to melt to lose its strength, and most buildings are built just strong enough to stayup. My response for "SQUIBS!/CONTROLLED DEMOLITION! THE COLUMNS LOOK LIKE THEY SHATTER!!" Is this. Find a hammer, now find a small rock or pebble, now hit it with the hammer really fucking hard. Looks like it exploded right? Now imagine the hammer is the top few floors of the building and the suppot columns for the building are your pebble. Its gonna look like the columns just explode,(they did) which then means there are no longer columns suppoting it and it just falls from there.
I also mention that it's really not that hard to believe that a building made in 70s New York (y'know, with all the mafia in the construction industry and rampant corruption) might not have been 100% up to code
EXACTLY this isnt a solid concrete bunker we are talking about, we are talking about just enough concrete to hold up a bunch of steel glass and paper in the air.
Hey you know what doesn’t help a skyscraper’s stability? Being hit by a 767 piloted by CIA agents
https://www.rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-staffer-infiltration-911-groups/
The owner, Larry Silverstein, is literally on tape saying they told the guys to "pull" building 7.
"pull" is also a very common slang in demolitions for destroying a building.
It could be an op since he just blatantly said it on TV, but I really don't see how else building 7 could have fallen. Buildings don't fall like that after getting hit asymmetrically with debris.
Yeah, I dont buy many what I call "day of" conspiracies for anything that happened in NYC. I dont believe that their were controlled demolitions or holograms for example.
But its pretty clear the anthrax attack was planned ahead of time and carried out by the IC in the aftermath of 9/11. Its pretty clear that our allies warned us and we knew, and its pretty clear saudi arabia and Israel had advanced foreknowledge.
I am very sympathetic to theories surrounding what happened at the pentagon. Between the supposed missing frames of the available security footage, the abnormal flight path paired with the pilots notoriously bad skill, there is a lot of eye brow raising facts there. Hell, Rumsfeld insisting on staying in the pentagon to do a briefing after his staff told him they needed to go to the white house because they already knew a plane had hit the first tower by his 9AM meeting and then rushing out to help people on camera is enough for me to raise an eye brow at what happened with the pentagon.
And obviously that flight that crashed in PA was shot out of the sky by us. Probably because Bush and Cheney couldn't have imagined a more terrifying spectacle and quit while they were ahead. Amd as Brace Belden suggests, it would have been weird for them to not do something after all the preceeding attacks.
Check out TrueAnon. Theyre doing a miniseries this week on 9/11. Great shit.
To me Jesse Venture is how I imagine the spongebob sarcasm font.
I dOn'T kNoW who kILLeD kEnnEdY. Do YoU kNoW? IIIII cOuLdN't mAkE tHaT shOt.
It's a way for me to say "I'm just asking questions." I stole it from a chapo thread where someone asked if Obama was CIA and someone responded Jesse Ventura Voice: look at his mom's job.
I googled Obama's mom's job and I was like hollllly shit.
I won't die on any single hill. So I oscillate a lot back and forth in believing any of this stuff. But to me at least it is weird how much spread there was to the plane parts. And there are witnesses claiming they saw a passenger jet tailed by several F16s, and even reports of an all white fighter jet in the area.
But I really dont know what happened. But the official reports are obviously not rooted in truth or a good faith attempt to discover what happened.
Well, a plane hitting the ground at high speed while having mostly full fuel on board can cause a 2 or some mile wide radius of debris
Malcolm Gladwell voice: If you ask me the government should have admitted shooting the plane down, because if they didn't shoot it down that would he incompetent.
Yeah, but doesn't that describe like most plane crashes?
When i say I believe that something is funky, and attribute it to the plane being shot down, i really only feel like I get there because there isn't a satisfying answer to the official report.
And I think in this case there was a full engine found miles away. Which to my understanding is unusual. And to my understanding the reports claim it rolled from the impact site.
When people say its normal for debres to be miles from the crash site I think they usually mean sheet metal from like the wings. Or luggage caught in the wind. Not an engine.
And in fact, they did issue a shoot down order. So its not even like you can say that would be going too far for them. The whole story is they ordered the plane to be shot down but it had crashed by the time the jet could intercept the airliner.
But idk. Who knows, ya know?
They actually didn’t. The planes that went up weren’t equipped with missiles.
I definitely think that the outlandish conspiracy theories (jet fuel / steel beams) were pushed to remove credibility and shift focus from the very legit ones with strong supporting evidence
The jet fuel can't melt steel beams stuff is bullshit to me, but that one passage from the PNAC's (run by Bill Kristol of Lincoln Project fame) paper, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" always comes to mind whenever I think of 9/11:
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.
The entire paper is mask off, so this type of line isn't even subtle. The paper makes a case about toppling Iraq, Iran, and Syria. You could make the case that the passage doesn't point to any conspiracy, since it seems logical enough that the US would need a casus belli, but damn if it isn't a bit too on the nose. Sure as shit, a few years later, the neocons were gifted 9/11.
As an interesting aside, one of the principle authors for that paper is a transwoman that now works at AEI, lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories
look at how the theory has gone from 40% believing 9/11 was an inside job, down to barely anyone.
looking at how the fucking net has been scrubbed of almost all of that shit 15 years later and how unpopular the theory is really shows how easy it is to manipulate millions of people into thinking what they're told to, whether you believe 9/11 was an inside job or not.
reddit/facebook hive mind mentality and having a small and vocal group of propagandists repeating the same lines over and over and over again really does seem to have an effect on the masses.
reddit is a plague that needs to be destroyed.
interesting how 40% of American believe the bill gates coronavirus vaccine conspiracy. It's the same rolling conspiracy theory. If we were still having 9/11 commissions, it would go back to 40%.
This has been destroying me all day. I've been listening to the true anon equivalent of shark week and looking up stuff as they go along. Despite knowing about so many evil deeds the US gov has done, it still makes me so fucking angry to think they knew all along and did nothing. and 100x more died as a result of wacky paths to war that were totally irrelevant. And the balls to believe that in 2020, after almost two decades of an illegal war, there are people who still think its good to be in the middle east. Absolute koolaid drinking bullshit.
I've kind of swung back and forth on the specifics because there's some truly ludicrous theories out there, ie planes didn't hit the towers, it was missiles and the Mandela Effect is just that strong plus every video made of the day was seized and altered by Donald Rumsfeld. But since around 2007 or so I've been fairly adamant that at best, Cheney, Rummie, and a select few others all knew that an attack was imminent and did nothing to prevent it (or helped out in a few key moments) to at worst, controlled demolition brought down the towers with nano thermite, the Pentagon was hit with a CIA plane loaded with some explosives, and flight 93 was shot out of the sky. Kind of doesn't matter, since either way you have complicity.
But we all know that tower 7 didn't just decide to sit down after a long day of being on fire.
What strikes me as the most odd is that after weeks, even months, there still were pockets with molten metal around.
Now maybe that is normal thermal capacity for a pile of rubble this large, but it goes against what I'd expect
I'm not an engineer but I lived somewhere that used to be known for having a big bonfire and that shit would smolder for weeks and it was childsplay compared to two towers filled with 30 years worth of paper.
If the curing concrete of the Hoover dam hadn’t been water cooled, it would still have more than 30 years of cooling to go. Basically when you have literal tons of material, you have a lot of insulation, even if the material itself isn’t a great insulator.
What strikes me as the most odd is that after weeks, even months, there still were pockets with molten metal around.
do you have a source? sounds wild
https://youtu.be/xysnVixh1sY that cuts a few witnesses together. I do feel kinda embarrassed to share that tho, because it doesn't satisfy what I usually consider a source.
It might all be bullshit for what I know.
